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Tuesday, February 16, 2010

Heat 105, 76ers 78


  • Three W's in a row. How sweet it is.
  • This is how you want to come out after the All-Star Break. .500 seemed so very long ago.
  • After a bit of an off start, Flash soon rounded out into assassin form.
  • Strangely enough, the second unit pushed the lead when Wade was out. Yes, you read that correctly.
  • Christ, how bad is Philly?
  • Great effort from JO. He was the key in creating the lead. Solid early work from Q, especially the sustained effort on the glass. UD gritting the place up, as usual. All very timely.
  • Yes, James Jones gave us another victory cigar 3 once the game was far out of question. In all reality, that could have come around early second quarter.
  • Christ, how bad is Philly (again, for emphasis)?
  • I would have liked to have seen more energy on the glass from Beas (why did he miss essentially the entire second quarter?) He needs to drink some of whatever Q is drinking.
  • A nice quick bundle of points came for B-Easy in the third to make the score that much more ridiculous. Maybe he didn't realize that brace was gone until halftime.
  • Anyone miss Chalmers? Didn't think so.
  • A blowout against a bad team. No real need to nitpick on the usual points. I'll take it.
Dare we dream of the team's first four game winning streak as we visit the lowly Nets tomorrow? Dare we dream of once again being over .500? Dare we dream of actually knowing what this team will look like in two days? Stay tuned, Heat fans.

73 comments:

  1. Awesome blog Hades. Good looking out.

    Agreed completely. Solid effort by JO, if JO and Cook have it going the Heat are a totally different team. Makes the team less dependent on Wade and Beasley.

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  2. 2 Great blogs in a row Hades......I like your hustle.

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  3. "...that doctors removed Paul's torn meniscus ligament rather than repairing it."

    Ouch...

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  4. TMAC to knicks pending draft pick compensation and protection

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  5. I would have liked to have seen more energy on the glass from Beas (why did he miss essentially the entire second quarter?) He needs to drink some of whatever Q is drinking.
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    its Spo's new rotation.

    Instead of yanking beas at 5/6min mark..he pulls JO for Joel...then lets Beas play till about 2/3 min mark...which is cool..minus the part where beas doesn't reappear till real late in the 2nd qtr.

    good news he is not being force-fed Sf minutes, bad news is Spo isn't replacing those lost mins with PF mins.

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  6. Trying to catch up on all this trade talk is tiresome. I love the hubbub, but I get not sleep.

    Oh great. It's past midnight again.
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    Chris said...

    Awesome blog Hades. Good looking out.


    February 16, 2010 11:46 PM
    kbboy80 said...

    2 Great blogs in a row Hades......I like your hustle.
    February 16, 2010 11:46 PM

    I'm considering purchasing a mouthpiece for my next blog.

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  7. "Dwyane Wade
    Just for the hell of it …

    Kobe (career) -- 25.3 PPG, 45.5% FG, 83.9% FT, 5.3 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1 title as alpha dog
    Wade (career) -- 25.3 PPG, 48.1% FG, 77.0% FT, 4.9 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1 title as alpha dog

    Here's the point: Has there ever been a better consolation prize in the history of consolation prizes than Dwyane Wade in the summer of 2010? He's rarely mentioned because of the LeBron frenzy and because people assume he's not leaving Miami … you know, because it's so much fun to play on a crappy team in a half-filled arena. I look at it the other way: Why would he stay? What am I missing? If I'm Wade, I am fleeing for Chicago or the Clippers. You're damn right I just said the Clippers! Eric Gordon, sign and trade, boom! Stop laughing at me. Just lemme dream of those three weeks of season tickets for Wade before he vaults the scorer's table for a loose ball, flies into some trophy girlfriend's chest, explodes her implants and gets blinded in the ensuing silicone eruption."

    Hmm. If Riles can give Wade a dynasty-caliber team, Wade can probably finish his career stronger than Kobe. & that's without the consecutive 50 point games, 62 points in 3 quarters & 81 point games on his resume.

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  8. Just wanted to chime in, I believe it's 5 in a row for James Jones now. The last 5 appearances he has made his first shot a 3 pointer every time. That's just a really interesting fact atleast to me. I wonder if Elias Sports or 82games or someone keeps track of things like that. There can't be many other plaayers who have done that.

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  9. Another day and still no major trades. What's sad is there is a chance the offseason could be just as uneventful.

    You guys think something big is still going to go down? I mean NBA wide, not just with the Heat.

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  10. Depends what you classify as big. The Rockets are supposedly close to deciding whether to send McGrady to New York or Chicago today. Some buzz about a Nate Robinson for Eddie House swap. Hinrich rumored to be going to Lakers if the Bulls can't move Thomas or Salmons.

    Something will definitely shake loose.

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  11. Don't know JB... But the boys were in my city last night and looked pretty good against the team that plays here. Watching them play last night made me think 1 of 2 things.

    1)Are the Heat showcasing Haslem or am I missing something? How does he not start and continuously gets more playing time than Beasley.
    2)Was Arison just saying what he said about Beasley as the calming before the Pat Riley storm? Because I think Riley's got an 11th hour shocker up his sleeve.

    I don't know, but I think we're gonna make a minor major tweak or at least I hope so and T-Mac's definitely getting moved somewhere, but the anticipation has me glued to my laptop...lol

    Great Win last night.... I was rather shocked at Spo playing so much zone defense last...

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  12. We should of started playing zone since the beginning of the season. Especially to help his 20 year old PF.

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  13. Our we going with the assumption that if the Heat are going after Stoudamire they are passing on 2010 free agency? If so, I think they could afford to take back Jason Richardson. Jermaine O’Neal, Chalmers, James Jones, plus one pick for Stoudamire and Richardson works. I say one pick because you are doing the Suns a favor by taking on Richardson’s salary.

    The Heat would then have Haslem, Q Richardson’s expiring deals plus the remaining #1 pick to still pull off something like Eddie mentioned earlier. Best case would be something that lands a center. If the Bulls want to dump Hinrich badly enough maybe they throw in Miller’s expiring.

    The Heat would be locked in to Hinrich, Stoudamire, and Wade. But, they would have the opportunity next season to package Jason Richardson’s expiring and Beasley ($20 million) to get some help.

    Hinrich/Alston
    Wade/Richardson
    Jason Richardson/Cook or Wright/Beasley
    Stoudamire/Beasley
    Miller/Stoudamire/Anthony

    IMO, that’s a young, talented team with plenty of chips in the future for either internal growth (Beasley) or endless trade scenarios (Beasley, Richardson’s $15 mil expiring).

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  14. Yeah, it's not a dynasty.. but it's better than the Cavs and Celtics. Imagine either:

    Hirnich
    Richardson
    Lebron
    Amare
    Miller
    with Beasley on the bench

    or

    Hirich
    Kobe
    Richardson
    Amare
    Miller
    with Beasley on the bench

    Other than the Lakers, those would be the best teams in the NBA.

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  15. According to multiple sources, the Celtics and Knicks are close to a deal that would bring guard Nate Robinson to the Celts, possibly in exchange for Eddie House. A league source, as well as a Knicks source, said yesterday that both sides still have interest in the deal that has been discussed in the past month. Two sources in Sacramento, where the Celts played the Kings last night, verified the interest from both sides. Boston Herald

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  16. JB said...
    Yeah, it's not a dynasty.. but it's better than the Cavs and Celtics. Imagine either:

    Hirnich
    Richardson
    Lebron
    Amare
    Miller
    with Beasley on the bench

    or

    Hirich
    Kobe
    Richardson
    Amare
    Miller
    with Beasley on the bench

    Other than the Lakers, those would be the best teams in the NBA.

    FEBRUARY 17, 2010 10:17 AM

    The Heat don't have LeBron or Kobe so that's irrelevant.

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  17. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfozQ-NXld4

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  18. I don’t if anyone has mentioned it, since I’m too lazy to read through all the posts, but the biggest reason I think Riley is going to go all in and eat Jrich’s contract and try to trade JO for a PG and backup C is because Donnie Walsh is about to clear all of NY’s cap space for next summer with the exception of Eddy Curry. If he gets Hou to take Jeffries then LOOK OUT. NY could offer to max deals like Miami and would be major players next summer. I could definitely see Joe Johnson and Amare re-uniting in NY under Dantoni. Remember those two went to the conf finals and Johnson was ballin more than Amare. Pho lost when Johnson got hurt. Those two together and in NY would be playoff team, not quite a title contender but definitely a threat with Walsh(one of the most underrated GM’s) running the show. The guy has a done a fantastic job cleaning up Chernobyl in the wake of IsaiahGate.

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  19. If we can get Amare for expirings and have to take back Jrich as a penalty, then I am ALL IN. Amare and Jrich at the very least would add a potent offensive punch. But I can already here Spo in Riley's office....

    But WHHHYYYYYYYYYYY. We don't NEED more offense, we need more DEFENSE. Trade Beasley for a defensive stopper.

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  20. Furthering what FMB said about the Knicks, a little more detail. Interesting if you're a wannabe salary cap nerd, like me.

    http://www.hoopdata.com/recent.aspx?aid=158

    They had a similar one written for the Heat yesterday. I don't know where the hell it went. Good info there though.

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  21. Would would be the lineup then?

    Alston
    Wade
    Beasley
    Haslem
    Amare

    Alston
    Wade
    Jrich
    Beasley
    Amare

    Alston
    Wade
    Jrich
    Haslem
    Amare

    Alston
    Wade
    Bease
    Haslem
    Amare

    Alston
    Wade
    Wright
    Bease
    Amare

    ??

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  22. Although, I'm still not crazy about Richardson being shoehorned in. That'd be 46-47M between he, Wade and Amar'e/max alone. The cap is going to be around 53. That's not even accounting for Beas (5M), Cook (2.1), Anthony's option (<1) or Jones' partial guarantee (1.9). We'd have to find someway to flip Richardson into cheaper parts or forget about a max. Even then, it's pretty close.

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  23. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Suicide-lines-Amar-e-sweepstakes-Celtics-targe;_ylt=Avrq5YokecXyJ21TXVzN4n68vLYF?urn=nba,220205


    Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:15 am EST

    Suicide lines: Amar'e sweepstakes; Celtics target Nate Robinson
    By J.E. Skeets

    Each weekday morning, BDL serves up a handful of NBA-related stories to digest with your chili con carne.

    Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports: "Amar'e Stoudemire and the Phoenix Suns are no longer discussing a contract extension, and the All-Star forward was privately telling friends that he believes he's playing his last game in a Suns uniform on Wednesday night in Dallas, sources said. As Yahoo! Sports reported, agent Happy Walters and Suns general manager Steve Kerr exchanged contract offers over the weekend but were far apart in talks, sources said. Those privy to the conversations among Suns ownership, management and Walters say they no longer include scenarios where Stoudemire isn't traded prior to Thursday's deadline. Stoudemire can opt out of the $17.7 million on his 2010-11 contract; unless the Suns trade him, they could end up getting nothing for him.

    Meanwhile, the Miami Heat are still working to put together a package for Stoudemire, although a source familiar with Pat Riley's most recent offer says it doesn't include Michael Beasley(notes). Miami failed in its attempt to enlist the Charlotte Bobcats as a partner to take on Udonis Haslem(notes) in a three-team trade."

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  24. Good scoop, dred. Phoenix is getting the screws put to it and no Beasley involved. Although there's always the possibility of holding on to him and hoping a decent sign-and-trade option manifests in the summer, Phoenix is going to (continue to) get lowballed. If they end up with Hickson, Z (buyout) and draft picks, they made send a lynch mob after Kerr.

    Of course, an offer from Miami, sans Beasley (as it should be), is really no better. May net them some draft picks on top of the cap relief though.

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  25. When exactly is the trade deadline tomorrow? 3pm? midnight?

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  26. Tomorrow, 3PM Eastern.

    Exciting, isn't it?

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  27. phx tryin to put the screws to miami. putting in richardson and getting back a #1 draft pick while forcing miami to have to take back more salary and hoping that amare resigns? the question i have is if they do the trade where will they be at salary cap wise going into the summer? they could trade JO and jones and a #1 and then work out a buyout of JO where he could return to the heat with the heat still not having spent its MLE

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  30. I'm not completely following you, Adrian, but we're not going to have a MLE unless we take back A LOT more salary than anything rumored (since we won't be over the cap). The only scenario where a buyout with JO matters is if you're talking for this season. Otherwise, he can do whatever he wants in the offseason since his contract would be done.

    Richardson is owed 14.4M next year. That pretty much kills the idea of adding a max alongside Wade if Amar'e doesn't resign, unless you think someone is signing at a discount. Otherwise, you're looking at having to find a way to get rid of other money due in 2010 (Beasley, Cook, Anthony) or you'd have less than 14M in remaining cap space. If Amar'e did re-sign you could use his Bird Rights to exceed the cap and put together Chalmers, Wade, Richardson, Beasley, Stoudemire, Cook, Anthony and rookie contracts filling out the roster. We'd be over the cap, but within CBA rules. This all assumes a 53M cap for next season, exercising Chalmers' option and Anthony choosing to exercise his.

    At any rate, that trade isn't going down like that. I'm beyond hard-pressed to see Miami (or anyone else) taking Richardson.

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  31. J.A. Adande: According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.

    Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Cleveland to match to make a trade work under the salary-cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear the Heat are willing to do so --- in fact a source said, "I'd be surprised if Miami took on [Richardson's] contract" --- but the possibility exists.

    That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.

    The Suns would be looking at nine players under contract for a total of about $33 million next season: Steve Nash ($10.3 million), Leandro Barbosa ($7.1 million), Grant Hill ($3.3 million player option), Channing Frye ($2 million player option), Goran Dragic ($2 million), Earl Clark ($1.9 million), Robin Lopez ($1.9 million), Jared Dudley ($2.2 million) and Cook ($2.2 million).

    The Heat would be stuck with Richardson's contract and could potentially have Stoudemire opt out and leave them as a free agent. But they would also have Stoudemire's Larry Bird rights, enabling them to offer a longer and more lucrative contract than any other team. And they would have demonstrated to Dwyane Wade that they would do whatever it takes to bring another All-Star to play alongside him.



    How much cap space will we have if this deal goes down?

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  32. well, wade's caphold is 17 mil, bease is what 5 mil, cook pushing 2 million, anthony at 800k, chalmers at 800k, richardson at 14.4 mil, remaining #1 at 1.5 mil, and 3.7 million for filling at remaining roster? thats 45.2 million and the question of whether amare opts in or out and if he opts out whether there is a cap hold associated with that. amare's opt in number is 17 million correct?

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  33. Hades that buyout would have to be for this yr with JO

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  34. • A Central Division executive said the Heat called during the past few days looking for a third team to facilitate an Amare Stoudemire trade with Phoenix.

    ``We weren't interested, but Miami is going after this pretty hard,'' the executive said. ``Some of the Heat people want to wait until the summer, but others are afraid they might get shut out of the top guys in free agency.

    this from the Miami herald

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  35. Chad Ford: All is still quiet on the Amare Stoudemire trade front. As of Wednesday afternoon, sources familiar with the negotiations said the Suns have yet to signal whether the team will trade Stoudemire to the Cavs or Heat -- or whether they'll trade him at all.

    The Cavs have been pushing for the Suns to give them an answer. But Phoenix is holding out and will likely wait until Thursday to make a decision, according to sources.

    Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.

    Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson. One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks.


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    "I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."

    Is there a possibility that Amare isn't traded at all?

    "It's possible," the Suns source said. "We haven't been blown away with an offer yet."

    If the Suns decide to keep Stoudemire, it could be a rocky few months. A source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Suns and Stoudemire have ended all talks on a contract extension. If Stoudemire plays out the season in Phoenix, he'll likely leave this summer.

    "He's being personally wooed by LeBron James and Dwyane Wade," the source said. "On the other side, he's being actively shopped by the Suns. He feels like he may be more wanted elsewhere."

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  36. Heres the link to the article.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010

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  37. I guess it was just rumors that the Heat were serious about going for Amare at any cost

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  38. i wonder if miami can offer a 1st round pick seeing how the 2009 pick they traded?

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  39. more to this story than whats being reported, thats certain

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  40. If we miss out on Amare because we refused to offer first round picks I will be disgusted. Hopefully Riley will come to his senses and throw in the picks. Cook, Chalmers, Dwright, Qrich and 1 or two picks seals the deal. We still keep Beasley. Qrich would probably get bought out and resigned by Miami. If Riles can't pull this off he has truly lost it.

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  41. The story says the Heat aren't willing to part with their 1st round draft picks.I told you guys those picks won't be traded because we need them to round out our roster.

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  42. The part about not offering Beasley or any of the 1st round picks makes me laugh. No one is giving Kerr real offers because they know he's made crazy deals before and/or they know Amar'e is hauling ass come July.

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  43. Valuing the picks is tricky. Around where we (and Toronto) sit, those picks are going to require cap holds around 1.1-1.5M. It depends how far down the line you think the rotation will need to go or how much cap space you anticipate having.

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  44. Valuing the picks is tricky. Around where we (and Toronto) sit, those picks are going to require cap holds around 1.1-1.5M. It depends how far down the line you think the rotation will need to go or how much cap space you anticipate having.

    February 17, 2010 3:25 PM

    We're losing alot of players next year to FA those picks would either help add depth or starters next year which is why I think is holding on to them don't how much cap we'll have left to sign them though

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  45. If Riley really wants Amare he will throw in the first round picks. He's either playing hardball or just trying to block the Cavs from getting Amare. Even if Riley doesn't want Amare it's important for the future of the ECF as we know it that Lebron does not team up with him.

    If Ferry gets an itchy trigger finger he'll pull the trigger on the Antwan Jamison deal. From there the Suns can decide whether or not to accept the Heat's offer.

    The Heat have all the leverage with a full roster of expirings contracts and no real championship aspirations this year.

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  46. Well if the Knicks and Rockets makes that deal, I think we should take Amare and J-Richardson especially if it doesn't include Beasley. If Amare comes thru a trade now I would go on a limb a say I'd guarantee he'll resign this summer, he said Miami is his preferred destination already. A core of Wade, Richardson, Beasley and Amare and JO would be enough weapons for Wade to not have to carry as big of a load offensively and it would be a decent athletic unit with Richardson possibly coming off the bench.

    See what I'm thinking is Amare and J-Rich is basically like swapping Haslem and Q-Rich in our rotation. It's a definite improvement to this team now, maybe we lose a bit defensively, but Wade would have more than enough help to possibly compete in the East right now and if Amare didn't work out as well as we think move him in a sign and trade for Bosh should he choose to want to come to Miami or package maybe Beasley and Richardson for Bosh. Either way taking on Q-Rich's contract wouldn't be as bad as it seems.

    Lebron's not leaving Cleveland for NY even with all the cap-space. At best NY gets Joe Johnson and maybe Bosh or Boozer. I don't see a whole lot guys leaving that extra money on the table next year knowing that the owners are trying to lower the overall salary's and contract years and do away with the Bird Right's. There will be little to not much movement of big names other than Bosh and Johnson and maybe Wade if the Knicks make that deal with Houston. Lebron not losing any money by being in a "SMALL" market city like Cleveland.

    Honestly I don't see us getting anything much better in FA this summer. I think J-Rich would be a great 3rd, 4th or 5th option for a team with Wade, Beasley, Stoudemire and JO. That team on paper looks better than the '06 championship team if you ask me and we'd be putting ourselves in position to sign a top FA in 2011 maybe Melo, T. Prince, C. Butler, J.R. Smith, D. West, T.J Ford, T. Parker, P. Pierce, J. Crawford to name a few not a bad FA class to have $14.4 mil in Richardson coming off the books.

    I'm all for taking on Q-Rich's contract if it gets us Wade's name on a contract this summer and keep Beasley too. Wade with some real weapons could do a lot of damage and Beasley, Stoudemire, Richardson and JO is enough to match up well with anybody Lakers, Magics, Cavs, Celtics, Nuggets, Hawks we'd finally have what Riley always wanted the most quality depth and players that can play multiple positions. I'd bet Beasley would be a better SF alongside Amare than he is alongside Haslem...

    I say make the deal Riley!!!!! Just my opinion!!!!!

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  47. All I'm waiting on to truly start LMAO is for Jamison to go to Cleveland. Kerr will pretty HAVE to do something. Amar'e is a diva. You want him sitting around pouting for 30 or so games, knowing that you tried to deal him? Awwwk-waaarrdddd.

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  48. Yeah.... and Riley doesn't have to do anything because if he doesn't the Heat are still sitting on all that 2010 cap space as originally planned.

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  49. "I'd bet Beasley would be a better SF alongside Amare than he is alongside Haslem...

    I say make the deal Riley!!!!! Just my opinion!!!!!"


    TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

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  50. Yeah to me Cleveland really might be messing up a good thing. In their case "BETTER MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE BETTER..."

    Jamison's contract is ATROCIOUS!!!!!!!

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  51. If Riley makes that deal who's the defense going to double off Skip....LMAO!!!!!!

    MAke the deal!!!!!!!!!

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  52. OMG, the two first round picks better not be holding up this deal. We don't develop picks anyways. Let them go.

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  53. I don't know if I would throw in 1st rd picks. Amare isn't going to re-sign with Pho, so we could get him as a FA and Pho loses out on everything. If they get cook and wright they atleast have young players they can develop(since the Heat has no idea what that word stands for).

    I would rather stand pat(pun intended) with the expirings and spare parts trade, then use the two no.1's to move up into the lottery to grab a young PG. PG's no longer need seasoning to contribute so a rookie PG could contribute next season, just nab a vet to back him up.

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  54. I agree Adam, Riley should give them 1 pick and a conditional 1st pick next year or so....

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  55. FMB, we don't develop picks. We just sent our last two picks overseas.

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  56. We keep 1 of the picks too, let them have whichever pick is higher ours or Toronto's...

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  57. I don't any reason why Riley has to give in. Pho wants us to take Jrich AND give up picks for a guy who almost assuredly will walk this summer.....nah, not happening. Riley milked Tor last year for all they could afford, he will not be fleeced by Steve "I was a great bench guy" Kerr.

    Amare has one foot out the door, if Pho doesn't trade him then he will get even more flaky the rest of the season and probably cost Pho a playoff spot. They almost HAVE to trade him now for something....anything.

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  58. Adam,

    If we can grab a good PG, since there isn't a "Haslem" PG on the roster, the PG would actually be able to play more than 3mins a quarter and have Wade to defer to. Even a freakin DJ Augustin-type would be nice.

    The only way I can see giving in is if NY can clear more cap space, because then NY would be the fav for Amare. He can go back to his gorilla game with Dantoni.

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  59. Feb. 17 -- 2:38 p.m. ET
    Chad Ford: All is still quiet on the Amare Stoudemire trade front. As of Wednesday afternoon, sources familiar with the negotiations said the Suns have yet to signal whether the team will trade Stoudemire to the Cavs or Heat -- or whether it will trade him at all.

    The Cavs have been pushing for the Suns to give them an answer. But Phoenix is holding out and likely will wait until Thursday to make a decision, according to sources.

    Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.

    Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson. One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks.
    "I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious, then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."

    Is there a possibility Stoudemire won't be traded at all?

    "It's possible," the Suns source said. "We haven't been blown away with an offer yet."

    If the Suns decide to keep Stoudemire, it could be a rocky few months. A source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Suns and Stoudemire have ended all talks on a contract extension. If Stoudemire plays out the season in Phoenix, he'll likely leave this summer.

    "He's being personally wooed by LeBron James and Dwyane Wade," the source said. "On the other side, he's being actively shopped by the Suns. He feels like he may be more wanted elsewhere."
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    Riley's gonna get something for nothing as usual, Kerr has backed the Suns into a bad position yet again. Robert Sarver must really like that guy because he stinks at being a GM, but he had one of the best 3pt strokes in NBA history, tho...LMAO!!!!

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  60. key point for article

    "Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call."
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    That could be a plus.
    Also, dont be fooled by Riley not showing his full hand yet, what do you expect. As of now Cleveland thru an offer out and riley will either swoop in at the last minute (1), Suns will just accept cavs offer (2), or cleveland trades for jamison and kerr is stuck (3).

    3 is hard to imagine since Kerr and ferry are tight, so i would expect some sort of heads up..

    kerry ferry have to be careful...if all this is just hype to build up stock on amare deal it may backfire if riley doesn't put something fat out there.

    I expect any offer we make will include at least (1) 1st rd pick.
    LESS THAN 24 HOURS TO GO!!!!!!!!

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  61. Riley's not gonna show his hand until the 11th hour as usual.

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  62. Steve Kerr is slowly becoming Isaiah Thomas 2.0.

    How many former players have to SUCK as GM's before owners stop hiring them? The list is long:

    Isaiah
    Bird
    Mchale
    Kerr
    Dumars(living off the Sheed trade, he sucks)

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  63. LOL... FMB At least Dumars got a ring to show for his efforts....lol

    Kerr is probably worst than Dunleavy as a GM!!!!!

    I almost was starting to think Riley had lost his business savvy.

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  64. d webz,

    Dunleavy has talent on LAC....ummm can't say the same for Det....Charlie V got beat out of a starting spot by Ben Wallace and Jerebko(who?)

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  65. POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 4:39 p.m. ET


    Marc Stein: The Miami Heat have indeed expressed interest in San Antonio's Roger Mason, but the Miami deal that interested the Spurs most is no longer possible.

    The Spurs were hoping to tempt Miami into absorbing Mason's $3.8 million expiring contract into a $4.3 million trade exception that would have enabled the teams to complete a deal without San Antonio needing to take back another player. A future second-round pick from the Heat would have completed the transaction.

    But the Heat, dealing with their own luxury-tax issues like San Antonio and reluctant to add to their payroll, ultimately declined.

    And the trade exception in question -- created through the departure of Marcus Banks in Miami's Shawn Marion trade with Toronto on Feb. 15, 2009 -- expired Monday at midnight.

    The Spurs and Mason's agent, Mark Bartelstein, have mutually agreed to pursue trades before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, but it'll take a new trade construction to get Mason to Miami now if the Heat want to try again.

    San Antonio is more than $10 million over the luxury-tax threshold, so the deal proposed Monday to Miami would have cut their tax bill by nearly 40 percent. Miami is roughly $2.8 million over the tax threshold.

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  66. espn reports we declined on roger mason because of luxury tax issues

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  67. yeah what he said ^^^^^ I swear that wasnt there when i started typing!

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  68. It's a f*cking embarrassment that we won't improve this roster due to the luxury tax.

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