Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Fishing Before The Trade Deadline

Note: I will try to do these topics and be somewhat objective...


According to sources, the Heat are indeed fishing for more talent. The latest rumors posted by I-Win and Somedorkontheweb have Pat Riley going hard for something out of Phoenix. Appealing news to most except for the fact that sources indicate that packages that include Michael Beasley have been discussed. With an obvious eye on the future, and the tax, the question is y? If this team as assembled is headed nowhere fast, something we knew since training camp, then why the rush to throw away the youth? Yes a 5 game slide is bad, but is a resounding win against Houston and a win against Atlanta heading into the break enough to calm the waters once again? It should be. I wont sit here and debate the merits of Beasley, but why not add without subtracting? This includes Dorrell Wright who may be pushing for a starting job after being such a consistent player all season and looking like the possible tall ball handler Riley has always envisioned. You cant win a title under the salary cap, but keeping your youth is how you stay out of salary cap hell and keep cheap labor for depth. Obviously any trade coming out of Phoenix would include Amare, but wouldn't that be somewhat of a huge gamble? What if Amare doesnt work out here, or doesn't like it here and bolts? What if he doesn't work out here and opts in for his last year? In my opinion, Amare is worth going after, but only if its for expirings and draft picks. I am sure Riley would want a commitment from Amare before he gets him, but the Cavs had a commitment from Boozer before he bolted for Utah. Regardless, how this team plays in Atlanta heading into the break may go a long way towards determining what we do. If Sporon is truly about change and we see something out of this offense that we haven't seen before, as well as letting younger guys get a chance at contributing more and closing out games, Riley may not be so eager to part with his young parts. Still it seems odd how easy it is to give up on multiple first round picks than it is to replace a coach who has been called out time and time again by his veteran players.

RUMORS AND AVAILABILY: AMARE- Rumors are flying off the radar and everybody seemingly wants a piece of him. One rumored deal has Ben Gordon moving in a 3 way deal to bring the star to Detroit. Another has Iggy and Dalembert going for he and Barbosa.



TRACY McGRADY- The Houston Rockets are in the discussion stages of a complicated, three-team trade that would send Tracy McGrady(notes) to the New York Knicks, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The centerpieces of the trade would include the Washington Wizards shipping forward Caron Butler and center Brendan Haywood to the Rockets. The Knicks would send Al Harrington to the Wizards. For the Wizards’ part, they would still need another player, as well as a draft pick and cash to make this a workable scenario, sources said.Personally I would like the heat to get in on this deal IF we could bring in Javale McGee.

RAY ALLEN- Said to be available as the Celtics aren't getting any younger and have a window closing fast on a championship run. Rumors are of a deal that involve the Bulls and Tyrus Thomas as a move to clear cap space for Chicago.

MARCUS CAMBY- Said to be available for young players or as a way to move salary. The Clipps would be inclined to move him if they can package a little more salary to get the 15-16 mill they need to go after a max free agent.

KEVIN MARTIN- Rumored to be on Dallas's radar. Already a Maverick at heart as he provides plenty of shooting and not much defense. The mavs would prefer to bring in Iggy but martin may be more obtainable, altho they are said to be willing to take on either Dalembert's or Brand's contract.

IGUODOLA: Hot name that is floating around almost as much as Amare's. Pretty good 2nd or 3rd guy with a huge contract that has 4 years left on it.

DALEMBERT: One of the most consistent stretches of good basketball he has ever played, he looks like a worthy commodity or addition whichever way you look at it. Big money left on his deal but if and its a big if, he plays like this he may seem worth it. Regardless, it is pretty clear that Philly is in full salary dump mode.

OTHER PLAYERS SAID TO BE ON THE MOVE ARE: BRANDON BASS,TYRUS THOMAS,JOSE CALDERON, CHRIS DOUGLAS ROBERTS.

296 comments:

  1. If the Heat did a package of Beasley and Whatever else for Amare that trade would go down as possibly the worst in Heat history, the highest draft pick in history for a player who may opt out or better yet is a known locker room cancer.(Just ask The Matrix...) As toxic as the Heat situation is right now Amare may be the last player you want here right about now.

    Could you imagine Spo explaining to Amare "The Purity of Fluidness on the Energy Bus".....LMAO!!!!!!! I can see Amare saying "WTF is this dude talking about, Where da fuck is the real coach at? I been in the league for 8 years and the only time I heard about a bus was when it was time to go to the Arena on the road on gameday's".....

    Spo " If you don't ride my Energy Bus, you don't play and don't make call in the CALVARY, because I'm already hungry, I haven't eaten all day. I could always use a good old bowl of GRITZZZZ N GRAVY...."

    Haslem comes running looking like the Cream of Wheat man with braids "Yes sir Boss, you rang..."

    Amare "Yo D-Wade WTF y'all got going on down here. WTF is this Energy Bus bullshit, WTF is Pat Riley?"

    Wade "Fueling up the Energy Bus for us for tonight's game."

    Amare "Man come July 1st, I'm outta this bitch, y'all are crazy ass hell if you think I'm getting onboard some damn Energy Bus!!!"

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  2. "I'd take Amare playing C in the East all day."

    Agree 100%. Even if he invokes his option and somehow doesn't work out, we're only in the hole for one more season, then go after Melo in 2011 if the cap allows it. But I think if you pair up Wade/Beasley with a motivated Amare playing for his next contract, we're contenders immediately.

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  3. I said that same exact thing on the other blog....

    Amare in the East at C "HELLLLLLLLL YEAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

    As long as it doesn't cost us Beasley so be it.....

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  4. With the league's perception of Beasley, you guys don't have much to worry about.

    With that said: with Amare, we're a lot close to contending for a title than without.

    Add Kaman or Camby at Center, then a SF like Igoudala or Butler, and WoW!

    PG-Alston / Chalmers
    SG-Wade / Cook
    SF-Igoudala / filler
    PF-Amare / filler
    C-Kaman / Joel

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  5. I would love to give Amare a trial run here, but for none of the young players. If he can be had for expirings and draft picks, and agrees to play center, that would be insane for us. Wade-Bease-Amare would mean we could go cheap options at sf with Wright as the starter. We would certainly need a defensive dynamo at pg, so Hinrich would fit that bill, to a lesser, and incredibly cheaper extent, Dooling. The rest of the money in the offseason could be used to get Camby as a backup, keep Magloire's size and bulk, then get some gaurds to come off the bench and score. Nate Robinson would be great, or a Salmons to come off the bench and play sf/sg.

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  6. Sorry about all the snow d_webz

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  7. Agree with everything kb. Now that you have some pull in the blogosphere circles, why don't you put some pressure on Riley to pull this JO/picks for Amare deal ASAP!

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  8. Beasley and Amare are redundant for the most part.

    Take away the scoring role from either one, and they're lost out there.

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  9. Amare can't defend Cs we need a consistent rebounder and defender Amare would basically be the C version of Bease.

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  10. Agree with everything kb. Now that you have some pull in the blogosphere circles, why don't you put some pressure on Riley to pull this JO/picks for Amare deal ASAP!

    oxygen
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    According to everything we've read, theSuns won't trade Amare away expirings or a draft pick (that isn't guaranteed to be top 3, at least).

    It's Beasley-or-bust for Amare.

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  11. I am not concerned about the leagues perception of Beasley. I trust my own eyes and its not worth it to trade him right now. The league had a bad perception of Zach Randolph and Stephen Jackson as well.From a talent standpoint most of the league thought Joe Johnson, Marc Gasol,Ryan Anderson players like that werent highly thought of when they got traded.

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  12. Amare's game can still be refined. Not really worried about he and Beasley being redundant. As far as rebounding, they both can be above average, it takes the effort and willingness. Amare would be a complete player by now had he played for a coach like Popp, Riley, Larry Brown, or somebody who knew what defense was instead of Dantoni. That still can be changed, he has all the tools. I stil say we pair those 2 together, get Camby and Magloire behind them as the 2 and 3 centers and we are all set.

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  13. I think the closer we wait, the better chance we have at pulling it off. No team rumored to be after Amare has the young cheap players to give aside from us. That means we wont have to give them up. It comes down to what will be more important for the suns. Getting all the cap space for Amare with some draft picks, or getting SOME cap space for Amare while adding a good player already under contract.

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  14. Not bad either I-Win, but I disagree with trading a 2nd year player avg. 16n7 playing limited minutes at 2 positions on a rookie deal, when you've got a shit load of expiring contract's and draft picks too. That's just my opinion.

    We all know Amare's a very good player, but looking at his career #'s he's a 21n9. You're telling me you honestly don't believe Beasley can't give you that or better consistently if not for Spo and Haslem breathing down his neck waiting for him fuck up at every turn. Beasley's in his 2nd avg. 16n7, you don't think Beasley couldn't give you 21n9 if given 35 minutes a night right now. If you say NO your just being facetious.

    I'd take Camby over Kaman for defensive purposes and he could be resigned for cheaper and y'all know how I feel about Iggy he's a fellow Philadelphian....

    But I'd take Amare as my C in the East all day. Play Dwight 4 X's a year and who else Bogut, David Lee, Al Horford and K. Perkins.... HELLL YEAH.... Amare and Beasley might be avg. defenders, but the problems we'd give other teams bigs would more than make-up for their lack on that side of the floor.

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  15. "According to everything we've read, theSuns won't trade Amare away expirings or a draft pick (that isn't guaranteed to be top 3, at least).

    It's Beasley-or-bust for Amare"

    No thanks, then they can keep him. No way in hell you trade Beasley for Amare, unless Riley is sending Kerr an early Christmas present, of course.

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  16. oxygen said...
    Sorry about all the snow d_webz
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    I'm fine got food and pussy....lol
    Don't feel sorry for me......LMAO
    AND CONDOMS don't need anymore kids...LMAO!!!!!!

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  17. The questions of Stephen Jackson and Zach Randolph are different from that of Beasley.

    Beasley is inconsistent and the type of night he'll have is dependent on whether he makes his first shots or not.

    If they have a poor shooting night, Stephen Jackson could fall back on his defense and Zach Randolph could still rebound.

    All I'm saying is, if my life came down to it, my money is on the league's perception of Beasley rather than the fans. And right now, it's looking like Beasley isn't worth Derrick Rose, Amare Stoudemire, Bosh, nor a spot on Team USA (although that last one can be argued, but still).

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  18. Which one, the one at 5:14 or the one at 5:16?

    lol!

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  19. I brought up Jackson and Zach to cover all areas. Beasley has always had a bad perception on him because of some behavioral mishaps. From a talent/production standpoint, Gasol was thought to be a throw in, as was Anderson, and Joe Johnson certainly wasn't considered a big deal when he was sent to Phoenix, altho I myself said that was a stupid deal at the time for a young guy who can play 3 spots and defend. I'd much rather listen to myself and form an opinion. Beasley is in his 2nd year, sharing minutes and still averaging 16 and 7....that crazy.

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  20. lmao....thx... good post to kbboy, seems like great minds think alike....lol

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  21. I-Win, Beasley has not even completed his 2nd season, hasn't been allowed to concentrate on learning ONE single position yet, and is played incosistently minutes wise. Despite all that, he's learned our tough defensive system for the most part, has improved his rebounding considerably, and is by far our 2nd best player. If he is given the PF spot without fear of going to the bench for a single missed defensive assignment on any given night, and is allowed to feed off Wade rather than always running isos for him, Beasley will be a stud in a matter of months, not years.

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  22. I think we all should take a moment of silence in the memory of Ira's blog which is on life support right now.... I heard there giving it like 48 hours to live and then they may pull the plug on it......LMAO!!!!!!!!!

    kkboy80 you killed it.....LMAO!!!!!!

    KUDOS!!!!!!!

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  23. OK the moments up now.... Back to blogging....LMAO!!!!!!!!

    I agree oxygen.... I said the same thing...

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  24. I know, but I-Win is refusing to accept it, so I had to rephrase it another way. I-Win just wants Beasley traded no matter what, just because that's good for Haslem. Well, it's not good for the Heat.

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  25. I honestly believe Riley isn't going to trade Beasley, don't know why, but I think Riley knows how crucial Beasley is to the cap situation and his undeniable talent. Honestly the Suns are the ones who basically auctioning Amare off to the highest bidder. Riley's a pretty smart guy at worst he makes a hard push for Amare to show both Wade that he's trying to fast track the program and also show Amare right now that "Hey I'm interested this summer when you opt out..." Now by getting Amare in the summer do you want to pay Amare the max? NO... But he may have to to get Wade to re-sign.

    I heard some Steve Blake rumors to for the Marcus Banks trade exception. Unlike Skip, Chalmers or Arroyo Blake's a pretty damn good outside shooter, decent defender and a very good facilitator. I don't think the Heat seen a PG who possessed all 3 of those qualities in one person since Tim Hardaway. LMAO!!!!

    In no way, shape or form am I comparing Blake to Tim, but considering what we've got on this roster at PG he definitely by a welcomed addition. Move over Skip I think you may be coming off the bench by playoffs if we can make that move. I've been keeping an eye on him while looking for players who fit into the trade exception $ range and Blake's been playing very well in Portland all season long alongside both Roy and Miller and in Roy's absence too even better. My only question would be do we really need 4 PG's? We all know who should be the odd man out, but who may possibly would be the odd man out or cut? I think it would be Arroyo, but it should be Chalmers.

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  26. Has anyone e-mailed Ira regarding his blog?

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  27. A couple of people did, I didn't waste my time.... kkboy80 got this blog up so quick and I saw all the regulars over here so I said FUCK it.....

    Ahhhh it feels good to type whatever I feel like typing....LMAO!!!!
    I can't say it enough kkboy KUDOS!!!!!!!

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  28. Kbboy, this blog destroys Gkalls. Good job homie.

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  29. Please start Wright, Spo. Unfortunetly I believe they are showcasing him for a trade

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  30. I don't really see Amare as a top superstar. I think Nash sort of "makes him". His defensive awareness is terrible for a big man, on offense I've seen him explode for huge nights, then take 5 shots the next game. Just a completely undependable player. Not my type whatsoever. If we were talking about Bosh, sure I'd give up Beasley(on the condition that Wade and Bosh both resign).

    I'd strongly agree with moves that allow you to sign a max in the summer. Mainly because I think there's a strong chance Bosh will go to Miami this offseason. So if you can pull off something like Haslem + Jones for Iguodala that would be pretty huge. Alston, Wade, Iggy, Beas, JO would be a nice lineup. Also the good thing about trading Haslem is that there's a bonus which says 20 more minutes for Beasley at PF a game.

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  31. DAMN you people are up early, WTF!

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  32. Completely agree with Chris regarding Amare.

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  33. "Miami is proposing a number of different packages and president Pat Riley is making anyone short of Dwyane Wade available.

    "Nobody is pushing harder on this than Riley," one league source said.

    The Heat have proposed scenarios involving young players like Michael Beasley and expiring contracts like Jermaine O'Neal. In addition, they are willing to trade their 2010 first-round pick."

    Man I don't know. Looks like Riley is serious about this. I just can't see him doing this. He wouldn't even trade Wade for Shaq back in the summer of 04.

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  34. I hear you too Chris.... Seems like everyone feels the same about Amare... In my opinion, I don't think he's a MAX player. I'd say about S12-15 Million maybe and that's pushing it at around $15 million. Only MAX players in the league RIGHT NOW are probably Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Howard, Melo and maybe CP3, but that doesn't mean a Joe Johnson, Amare or Bosh won't be able to get a MAX deal.

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  35. Durant is probably a max guy right now too, but I agree with everything else.

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  36. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4QezlQyrzA

    I love Wade's two handed blocks that keep the ball in bounds so his team retains possession. This guy really is the best shotblocking SG of all time.

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  37. Man I don't know. Looks like Riley is serious about this. I just can't see him doing this. He wouldn't even trade Wade for Shaq back in the summer of 04.
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    Well, Wade showed a lot of promise his first year, eventually emerging as the leader to a team that made the East semis and won 2 games. This was after leading Marquette to the Final Four. Quite the promise, no?

    Everything about Wade screams "WINNER". Game recognize game, and Pat Riley knows what he had in Wade. Besides, it was well known that there would be no point in acquiring Shaq if you didn't at least one piece to pair him up with. Riley and the Lakers knew this.

    Anyway, Pat Riley doesn't want to trade Beasley, but that doesn't mean he won't. He hates losing as much as any of us and you can't help but feel that the team would be better if Beasley was more consistent. Don't blame Spo; he gave Beasley a starting job at PF and plays him 30mpg. And don't blame Haslem, his clutch performances are the only reason we're not 17-35 and Wade hating life right now.

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  38. Do you think that would be a good move though? It seems awfully risky and it does not guarantee that Wade would resign. Riley was unwilling to make the big move last year even when Wade requested it, why's does he seem so ready to open up all of a sudden? A little poor timing if you ask me.

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  39. I was thinking Durant too, but because this year is his coming out party, I'd like to see him do again first and see how he delivers in the playoffs too... Not even advance his team to the 2nd round just yet, but put up a couple of these 30 pt games he's been going with regularity this season....

    Honestly Kevin Durant is my sleeper pick for All-star game MVP if he gets the playing time... The Durantchula!!!!!

    A lot of scoring records Lebron and Kobe set for the youngest player ever to etc, could be dispatched by Durant if he keeps up at this scoring pace and stays fairly healthy for the duration of his career. He definitely has the goods, hell they're whole team is scary good and they're young and being given a chance to grow and learn to play. Spo could learn something from Scottie Brooks another former 76er leading another young up and coming team, Loniel Hollins being the other with the Grizzlies.

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  40. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4QezlQyrzA

    I love Wade's two handed blocks that keep the ball in bounds so his team retains possession. This guy really is the best shotblocking SG of all time. - Chris
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    And the Heat were up big at that time. Wade played it like the Heat's season depended on this game and they were down 2pts with the game on the line.

    When Wade is happy, Wade plays determined. And when that happens... well, just look at the avatar.

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  41. Chris said...

    Do you think that would be a good move though? It seems awfully risky and it does not guarantee that Wade would resign. Riley was unwilling to make the big move last year even when Wade requested it, why's does he seem so ready to open up all of a sudden? A little poor timing if you ask me.
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    It is risky. If Phoenix feels Amare's knee is a concern that he isn't worth max money, then that's probably saying something, considering their trainers are the best in the NBA.

    As far as timing, I think Riley was waiting on a number of factors before pulling the trigger:
    -Will the Heat be good enough to wait on 2010?
    -Are the Cavs or Raps playing better than the Heat?
    -Will Beasley emerge as a franchise player or show promise so we know what we have? OR maybe enough to pry Chris Bosh from the Raps?

    It seems the first 15 games of the season everything was, everything was going according to plan, but it's been down hill ever since.

    Now is the time to pull the trigger on a 2010 Free Agent, because it doesn't look good as far as Bosh or LeBron.

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  42. That avatar's wayyyyyyyyyy better than that other one you had before I-Win......LMAO!!!!!!!!!

    Cap'n GRITZZZZ & GRAVYYYY!!!!!!!

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  43. BTW, if we pull the trigger and trade all our expiring contracts, we will have a MLE to work with next year. That's gonna come in clutch so we can re-sign JO or add MLE talent.

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  44. There's a chance a deal could get done during the All-Star break, like last year with Matrix/JO.

    This could be the last time we see Beasley in a Heat uniform. Let's see how he plays tonight.

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  45. True I-Win...

    I must say though I am very impressed with Wade slow playing his hand and forcing Riley to now basically do something. It was perfect timing by Wade to speak up about Spo and while being in Chicago. The team had been sinking all year and he waited for the right time to speak up and out and twist Riley's arm into making a move, I just hope the move doesn't cost us Beasley in the process!!!!!!

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  46. d_webz, I don't know if the skid hitting 5 in Chicago and Wade making the comments was planned or not. It could have been just a coincidence. Wade appears to be trying to help the team win. Besides, he has every right to be vocal after the team regressed from last year.

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  47. I love Wade's two handed blocks that keep the ball in bounds so his team retains possession. This guy really is the best shotblocking SG of all time.

    February 10, 2010 7:06 AM

    +1000

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  48. Quote from Jerry Stackhouse after the 2006 finals.

    "No disrespect to Shaq, but we were hoping Miami would put him in, because Alonzo was just a monster" If you take Zo off that team, we win the championship. Ive never seen a competitor like Zo in this league".

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  49. Damn I can't find the comment, but this is in response to I-Win's post regarding other 1st and 2nd year guys producing more than Beasley.

    Just so we get this out of the way, I'd like to see Beasley succeed, but I am by no means a Beasley "homer". All of last year and even at the start of this season I was backing playing Haslem over Beasley. For the first couple of weeks this year it seemed like every day was Eddie and myself against the rest of the blog in regards to Beasley getting minutes versus Haslem getting minutes. I'm not sure when I switched "sides", but IMO Beasley is the 2nd best player on this team and being that he is still developing his NBA game he should be getting 35mpg regardless of everything else.

    Rose (37mpg), Evans (37mpg), Mayo (38mpg), and Lopez (37mpg) are putting up better numbers, but they're averaging 6 minutes (half a quarter) more than Beasley. I don't think any of them have had games where their coachs play them less than 20-25 minutes. All I can say is this season he has played 30 minutes or more 38 times. His averages in these games are 21ppg, 8.5rpg on 50% fg percentage. Those aren't per 36 projections, those are his actual averages when he gets minutes.

    I don't see how you can expect him to "produce" when he's playing less minutes than he did in college. I don't think he'll ever be a dominating defensive player, but Rose, Mayo, Lopez, and Evans aren't getting 37mpg because of their defense. He'll probably never be a franchise player either, i.e. a guy who can carry a bad team to the playoffs, but IMO there's only 3-4 of those guys in the league right now (Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade). If you watch other NBA teams besides the Heat, I think you'd be pretty impressed with Beasley if he was playing for just about any other team.

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  50. How do I get my name in red??

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  51. I hope Riley isn't mortgaging the future to appease Wade. Amare isn't winning shit. An Amare trade would have to be coupled with a Butler or Iggy deal that also brought a Defensive C like Haywood or Dalembert. Amare by himself is a lateral move.....

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  52. Q: Would you trade Michael Beasley straight up for Amare Stoudemire? -- Tommy.

    A: First of all, you can't, because of the salaries. But, no, I wouldn't. Amare always seems to have drama swirling about him. Plus the benefits of Michael being under a rookie-scale contract for two more years are huge. The only thing I haven't been able to totally determine is what Riley truly thinks about Michael, whether he believes Michael "gets it."

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  53. The Heat have emerged as a determined pursuer of Suns forward Amare Stoudemire, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    Miami is proposing a number of different packages and president Pat Riley is making anyone short of Dwyane Wade available.

    "Nobody is pushing harder on this than Riley," one league source said.

    The Heat have proposed scenarios involving young players like Michael Beasley and expiring contracts like Jermaine O'Neal. In addition, they are willing to trade their 2010 first-round pick.

    Phoenix is believed to be in talks with as many as six teams.


    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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  54. LMAO!Ira is just trying to get us back

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  55. Imagine Amare playing the Heat's half court, slow paced, Wade trying to make things happen versus Beasley playing the Suns no defense, fast paced offense with Nash at the helm. The only 1-on-1 move Amare really has is his spot up jumper. Stoudamire's numbers would take a huge hit and Beasley would be putting up 25ppg and pulling down 12rpg. Even with Amare the Heat would still have to rely on Wade to create everything, which IMO is the biggest problem with the offense.

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  56. **** The only thing I haven't been able to totally determine is what Riley truly thinks about Michael, whether he believes Michael "gets it." ****

    By "gets it" does he mean does he get the franchise has spent the last 2 years putting out a joke of a basketball team while having one of the top three players on the planet?? This is such a load of BS, right down to Spoelstra's "purity", "energy bus", "lost our way", etc, etc. You are not Phil Jackson, the team does not have talent on par with the top teams in the league. You want to win, you want to get it?? Get a coach who actually has coaching experience on his resume and a roster full of players who actually can compete in the NBA. If anything, I question whether or not Riley "gets it" as a GM.

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  57. I don't care anymore if we trade for Amare we're not making the playoffs unless Wade becomes a full time PG and Spo improves the offense by 10 fold.

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  58. FMB said...

    I hope Riley isn't mortgaging the future to appease Wade. Amare isn't winning shit. An Amare trade would have to be coupled with a Butler or Iggy deal that also brought a Defensive C like Haywood or Dalembert. Amare by himself is a lateral move.....
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    a) I would think that it would be accompanied by more moves; Amare's contract puts us out of 2010 contention (his salary still counts against the cap until he leaves or we renounce his bird rights)

    b) It wouldn't be a lateral move. Amare can score in more ways than one. Wade's gonna be spoon-feeding him baskets all day via Pick-n-Roll and lob passes. Beasley has that one move on offense where he faces up, pump fakes, then drives or shoots. It works for him at PF, but it's extremely limited for a guy who is supposed to be talented offensively Not to mention that Amare can post up, Beasley hasn't shown us that yet. Amare will also contest more shots at the rim than Beasley will. Until Beasley shows us A LOT more than we've seen from him in 2 seasons, this is by far not a lateral move.

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  59. Yes!We need another injury prone player on this team

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  60. Definitely agree Beasley for Amare is NOT a lateral move. The moves that accompanied it would determine whether or not the team would be able to contend. Wade, Stoudamire, JO, Richardson, Alston, Haslem, Chalmers, Anthony, etc is still not enough to get by the best teams in the East.

    The only thing with the Amare move is that we maybe kicking ourselves if the Heat don't win a championship in 2-3 seasons. Amare's decline is going to happen fast. Add to that Wade is 28. We're going to have to completely rebuild from scratch in 5-6 seasons.

    And with all the talent the Celtics acquired three seasons ago they're only going to end up with one ring to show for it.

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  61. The NEXT time Amare POSTS UP will be his FIRST EVER. Amare is a face the basket, jump shooting, pickNroll PF. Every skewed argument I see towards acquiring is about his posting up when he has NEVER been a post guy. EVER.

    It IS a lateral move because Amare will give exactly what he gets. He is HORRIBLE defensively, an uninspiring rebounder, AND a drama queen. His nickname is STAT for a reason - That's ALL he cares about.

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  62. "This could be the last time we see Beasley in a Heat uniform. Let's see how he plays tonight."

    I remember how Marion hit the gamewinner for us in Chicago, but we traded him right after.

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  63. ^ That's the only reason you don't trade for Amare.

    Either way, the deal is a no brainer after that. Amare is leaps and bounds ahead of Beasley and can even play two positions very well with advantages at each one.

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  64. Unuless we get a Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, Chris Kaman, type player in addition I dont like going after Amare is Beasley is involved.

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  65. ::pulls out measuring tape::

    Hmm.

    ::angles fingers for camera view::

    Interesting.

    ::places finger on pursed lips::

    I've worked with better. This will do for now.

    ::enters Trade Machine::

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  66. If we trade Beas it should be for Thabeet from the Grizzles young,tall(7,3), a monster on boards and the defensive end

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  67. Beasley plays two positions very well with advantages at each one. ;)

    The thought if going with a Amare/Haslem C/PF combo is about as appealing to me as going with a Haslem/Beasley PF/SF combo.

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  68. @ I-Win I would rather the Heat trade Bease for a defensive C.Amare has really slowed down this year he's not the monster he use to be he's more of a jumpshooter now which has me worried the Suns offense might be helping him more then he's helping them

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  69. When Amare begins his decline in 3 years we will be looking at the same situation ALL OVER again. Does anyone here think Mickey's kid is going to be some prodigy GM who will be able to completely rebuild a team within 2 yr window? Does everyone have that confidence in him? That he won't turn the Heat into the Knicks or Clips or Wolves....decade long losers.

    Beasley has proven one thing that NO ONE can argue. He is a winner. He won in high school, college, and so far in the pros.

    Amare didn't win shit without a stacked team and an MVP next to him and even that didn't get him to the NBA Finals.

    Amare has to be surrounded with the same amount of talent, if not more, than what Beasley requires.

    I HATE ACQUIRING AMARE w/o significant other moves and at that point Beasley still makes more sense.

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  70. I will hate this franchise if they trade Beasley

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  71. From Hyde's blog:

    The downside: Stoudemire has had a major injury in his career and hasn't won anything on some good Phoenix teams.

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  72. "When Amare begins his decline in 3 years we will be looking at the same situation ALL OVER again."

    He's already in a decline I've watched alot of PHX games this year he just not the same player anymore he's become a jumpshooter similar to what happened to JO.

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  73. HD#1 A defensive Center worth Beasley's upside isn't easy to find, but it's definitely worth looking at. I like Hasheem Thabeet but developing player is not the direction the Heat should be going; might as well keep Beasley.

    JB: the reason you don't like a Haslem/Beasley probably has a lot to do with Beasley's only move on offense (face up, pump fake, drive or shoot) that doesn't work on SFs. Maybe if he could post up SFs and create open looks for the rest of the team from the post, you'd change your mind. Or maybe you just don't like Haslem. I didn't have Haslem in mind when playing Amare at Center, but since you brought it up, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't work just because you don't like it.

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  74. @ I won't if it's for a good young player like Thabeet from the Grizzles.

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  75. @I-Win True but if we did trade Bease I would want it to be for someone like Thabeet.

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  76. Read my earlier post. I like Haslem.

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  77. HD#1 said...

    He's already in a decline I've watched alot of PHX games this year he just not the same player anymore he's become a jumpshooter similar to what happened to JO.
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    Interesting and worth noting. But the guy is still shooting 55% FG. Not bad for an increased amount of jumpers compared to year's passed.

    Gotta go guys, I'll be back later on for tonight's game.

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  78. JB said...
    How do I get my name in red??

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 9:16 AM

    Sign in foo' :P

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  79. I want to believe Riley won't trade Beasley, but with all the crap I have seen him do over the past couple of years, I wouldn't doubt it if he traded him for a average PF in Amare.

    Seriously, what do people think Amare's numbers would be in our half court, slow paced, Spo calling every play offense. ?

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  80. The only thing Amare has on Beasley is his athleticism. And pretty soon that will disappear because of his sh*tty knees. Defensively, they are both bad. Amare's better at shotblocking, Beasley's a little better at helping, although that's not saying much. Beasley's the better shooter and has better handles. IMO Amare's the wrong guy. If there are other guys involved and the Heat use their cap space to maybe get help at the other positions like Iguodala, Hinrich, and Camby like others have suggested then it could work out.

    Hinrich
    Wade
    Iguodala
    Amare
    Camby

    But a straight up Beasley for Amare is stupid. The discussion better START after they take on Jones' salary, which they wont do because their owner is a cheapskate.

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  81. Seriously, what do people think Amare's numbers would be in our half court, slow paced, Spo calling every play offense. ? - Adam

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 10:05 AM

    You really have to be able to create your own offense in order to survive in this offense. Amare would struggle big time unless Spo adapts his offense. The only way to be moderately effective in this stupid system is to be absolutely incredible with the ball in your hands like Wade, or Beasley to a degree(despite his inconsistencies). Amare's stats would go to sh*t here.

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  82. Let's do a comparison...

    Beasley is 21, Amare is 28.

    In the 38 games Beasley has gotten atleast 30 minutes this season he is averaging 21ppg, 8.5rpg on 50% fg shooting in 37mpg.

    This season Amare is averaging 21ppg, 8.6rpg, on 55% fg percentage in 35mpg.

    This season Beasley has had Chalmers, Arroyo, and Alston as the starting PG on his team. This season Stoudamire has had Steve Nash as the starting PG on his team.

    The Heat prefer to play a slow paced, half court oriented game where the majority of the time on offense Wade creates for either himself or his teammates. The Suns prefer to play an uptempo, transition game where the majority of the time on offense Nash is creating for either his teammates or himself.

    Beasley has suffered no major injuries and by all accounts is a good teammate willing to put in the work to get better on both ends of the floor. Stoudamire underwent microfracture knee surgery in the 2005 season, was suspended for a playoff game for leaving the bench during the 2007 playoffs, and has frequently complained about teammates and the organization that pays him $16 million/yr to play basketball.

    In 7 seasons Beasley will be 28, Stoudamire will be 35.

    What am I missing?

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  83. First, let me say that I would not trade Beasley straight up for Amare. Beasley will likely be the better player, and he will just be hitting his prime when Stoudemire retires. But..

    Riley needs to sign a big name. And with the way Toronto, Atlanta and Cleveland are looking, the opportunity to land a major free agent seems dim. Also, Riley can add more to the team by trading his expirings than going into free agency. If Beasley-Richardson is sent over for Amare Stoudemire, Riley will still have O'Neal's $23 mm (Mike Miller and Brendan Haywood from Washington), Udonis Haslem's $7 mm (Hinrich), etc. His options would be better if he strikes a deal early. He'll still have another week to round out the roster.

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  84. Do People really think the Jazz are still going to trade boozer?

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  85. The pick and roll offense always inflates the hell out of average PF's stats. Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire, and now even David Lee. This system just makes it ridiculously easy to score for any decently sized PF with finishing ability. The funny thing is you rarely see many team win championships with that system. Most teams that win it have more dynamic offensive sets, which frankly, the big men I listed above do not have the skill sets to perform at a high level in.

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  86. And yes, my last post was a shot at Karl Malone.

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  87. Eddie, Riley can make plenty of moves to build a contender without trading Beasley. You can get something like Iguodala, Hinrich, and Dalembert or Hinrich, Butler, Haywood without moving Beasley. Plug in Haslem as the starting PF for the next year or so, use the MLE on a combo guard like Foye, and have Beasley come off the bench for the next year or two.

    It would be the best team in the East on paper and moving forward would have something other elite teams don't have... a 21 year old with the potential to lead the league in scoring.

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  88. I just mean from the stand point that the Jazz have won 9 in a row, basically because of Boozer.

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  89. What Riley should really do is build around Wade and Beasley now. Forget the big name splash and surround these guys with some players that will get thwe job done. Riley could pretty easily turn JO into Brendan Haywood and Mike Miller (both expiring, I think), and Richardson and Cook into Hinrich.

    Hinrich
    Wade
    Miller
    Beasley
    Haywood

    You still have cap space if LeBron implies he's leaving, and you improve the team with Wade and Beasley as your centerpieces.

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  90. @Adam Yes Millsap is more then capable of replacing him and trading Boozer would help them with the luxury tax.

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  91. Once you have microfracture surgery you typically have more problems down the road....i.e. Grant Hill

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  92. You still have cap space if LeBron implies he's leaving, and you improve the team with Wade and Beasley as your centerpieces.

    February 10, 2010 10:19 AM

    That's a pretty good idea. Although I don't think the team is good enough to win the East, it is a pretty talented and would provide a lot of flexibility going into the offseason.

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  93. LOL @ Milsap more than capable of replacing him.

    Boozer just had 34 and 14 last night. Lets not act like Milsap is that kind of player.

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  94. I like the idea of Mike Miller and Haywood. Those guys bring exactly what we need. Miller's shooting next to Wade would be lethal.

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  95. Rudy Gay. I'm telling you guys, the Heat should find a way to get him this season.

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  96. Mike Miller and Amare? With Rafer Alston?

    So we are just giving up on D, huh?

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  97. By the way, thanks for setting up the blog, KB. I really wasn't going to post at Ira's blog anymore. That was ridiculous. They should notice the decline in posts/visits in about a day or two.

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  98. "Mike Miller and Amare? With Rafer Alston?"

    I listed Haywood and Hinrich in that lineup. Also, my latest trade kept your beloved namesake.

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  99. Can you imagine Beasley in the suns system. Can u say contention for lead scorer in the league? The media will all of a sudden say, wow now I know why he was picked #2 in the draft

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  100. @ Adam I didn't say he was Boozer he's just very capable of replacing him

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  101. I agree with Adam on Rudy Gay.

    Conley
    Wade
    Gay
    Beasley
    Haywood

    Might very well get you the chip.

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  102. I've been saying we should go after Gay for the longest what happened did he score 50 last night?

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  103. HEAD-SCRATCHER: The all-or-nothing level of production from Quentin Richardson continued Tuesday, with the Heat's starting small forward picking up two fouls in a matter of seconds early in the first quarter. It was another night of early foul trouble for forward Michael Beasley, too. The Heat's two starting forwards have been in a bit of a rut when it comes to quick whistles recently. Beasley is usually able to shoot himself out of the problem, when given the time. Richardson has not had things go his way in quite a while. While Beasley likely will - and should - remain in the starting group, it might not hurt to send Richardson to the bench for a while, especially with Dorell Wright capable of giving the Heat more energy, length and athleticism at the small forward spot right now.

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  104. Man Rex is crazy he also lack a belly button



    http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2010/02/rex_ryan_bares_belly_to_outugl.html

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  105. Chris said...
    I agree with Adam on Rudy Gay.

    Conley
    Wade
    Gay
    Beasley
    Haywood

    Might very well get you the chip.

    February 10, 2010 10:29 AM


    I like this.

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  106. I've been talking about Rudy Gay on the blog for over a month now. I wasn't trying to steal anyones thunder.

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  107. Beasley is already putting up almost the exact same numbers as Amare when he gets as many minutes.

    When Beasley plays over 30mpg he puts up 21ppg, 8.5rpg in 37 minutes. For the season Amare is putting up 21ppg, 8.6 rpg in 35mpg.

    Amare has had Nash as his PG all season long, Beasley has had Chalmers, Arroyo, and Alston.

    Again... what am I missing?

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  108. "Mike Miller sucks."

    News to me. He had 19 points last night against the Bobcats. He's shooting 54% from three. In fact, he just scored 25 point on 7 of 10 shooting from three last week against the New York Knic- Oh.

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  109. You know what I can't understand is why are the Heat even in the market for a PF unless they're really trading Beasley, which would be the Shaq deal all over again with less reward and greater risk or unless they're trading for a bigger one to play C.

    Beasley's #'s are comparable to any PF in the NBA when given 35+ minutes you know Riley has to know and see that, so why pick-up Amare who's #'s are as much of a product of the system he plays in as Beasley's are in this horrible non-existent offensive system. If Haslem played in the Suns system he could probably avg. close to Amare avg's 21n8 off of picknpops with Nash and show his true Caged-Boozer side as opposed to Beasley dominating in an open offense like that at 25n12.

    People Pat RIley's no fool. It's very obvious he doesn't want to part with Beasley and it's the Suns who fear losing Amare, every other GM knows that too, that's why nobody's making a move on Amare until the 11th hour, so they could get as much of something for nothing as possible, even the Suns no that, that's why they're trying to possibly make things work wit Amare. They're honestly saying it's about a 30% CHANCE HE GETS MOVED NOW, because they know nobody's going to give them full value in a trade. The Suns are either going to except a young asset and some salary or expirings and cap-relief and draft picks. They're are run by Steve Kerr whose a b-ball front office genius(LMAO) so I can see him hitting the panick button and taking JO and someone else to package probably Barbosa or J-Rich in any deal with us or some other teams version of JO(Overpaid hasbeen with an expiring deal). Get rid of an unwanted contract or 2 and get the most available cap relief to go shopping this summer and the draft picks.

    You heard it hear 1st Beasley's not going ANYWHERE. If Riley learned anything from the Shaq deal is that he won't mortgage anymore young talent with VERY NOTICEABLE UPSIDE!!!!!! We'd probably see Haslem moved before Beasley, honestly....

    RIley may be old and not as witty, but he's NO FOOL!!!!!! Now Steve Kerr on the other hand, can't say the same. You traded away a very good Shaq last summer for basically nothing, but cap relief. Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavolic!!!!!LMAO

    Why don't you think they won't do the same thing in all out panic mode!!!

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  110. lmao @ Adam I know.Gay is the guy I've been wanting the Heat in FA for the longest I even asked Ira about it.

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  111. Eddie, one problem with your deal is that the Heat would have to renounce the Bird Rights to Haywood, Miller, Haslem, and Wright to offer a max FA deal. That means they'd add one max FA to Wade, Hinrich, Beasley, Cook, and Chalmers and have to use minimum deals for a C and the bench.

    Or, they could offer Gay a max deal ($14.5 mil) and hope Camby would consider a $3-4 million deal. But, I have to think some team would offer Camby the full MLE. For example, if the Cavs land West or Jameson they will need a C next season and I think Camby or Haywood at the MLE would be a nice fit.

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  112. JB we don't have to go after Camby we have 2 1st rounders Cousins is in our draft range.

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  113. I don't think Gay can get 14.5

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  114. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11

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  115. Rudy Gay's max deal could be 13.5

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  116. @ Eddie you would think so but there has been concerns about his attitude on the court often going off on refs.That just means he has passion for the game IMO but it's causing his stock to fall.

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  117. Adam said...
    Rudy Gay's max deal could be 13.5

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 10:55 AM

    Its actually going to be a little less than that when you factor in the cap drop. Maybe like 13.2 ish.

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  118. "Rudy Gay's max deal could be 13.5"

    OK

    Still, I don't think $4-5 mil is enough for a starting C. Cousins is a long term possible solution, but I don't think he'll be ready to start for top 4 seed next year. I think he's probably a lottery pick, not sure about top 5. But it's possible. UK is stacked.

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  119. Chris said...
    I agree with Adam on Rudy Gay.

    Conley
    Wade
    Gay
    Beasley
    Haywood
    ---------------------------
    Hinrich
    Wade
    Iguodala
    Amare
    Camby

    I like both Chris, but I too agree Beasley for Amare straight is franchise suicide all over again....lol Switch Beasley for Amare in the 2nd deal and that team is still a very good team, possibly upset anyone of the Top 4 in a & game series.

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  120. *possibly upset anyone of the Top 4 in a 7 game series* fixed

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  121. "Still, I don't think $4-5 mil is enough for a starting C."

    It could be enough for Haywood as part of a long-term contract (escalating). Hinrich, Wade, Gay, Beasley and Haywood works for me. Still, I think we could build a better team through trades before the deadline.

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  122. @ JB he's a top 20 pick because of attitude concerns on court.

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  123. Or maybe the Heat should do it the Spurs way and build through the draft.Any thoughts?

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  124. KKB,

    Great job on the site. Thanks for changing the font.

    Could we have the option of choosing between the newest or first comments at the beginning of a new story? That way, those who want to go to the beginning of the comments can do so, while those who want to start with the latest entries can do so as well. Thanks.

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  125. HD#1 said...
    Or maybe the Heat should do it the Spurs way and build through the draft.Any thoughts?

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 11:06 AM

    If they're gonna do that they should trade Wade for a good young star or two and some draft picks. You're not going to get Rose/Durant/Evans, no way. But maybe a James Harden + Russel Westbrook and future 1st rounders.

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  126. Anybody think DeMarcus Cousins looks like Skiboski of Ido fame?

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  127. The Spurs built around the best PF of all time and best big man of his generation. That's really not an option for the Heat.

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  128. 06:16 AM ET 02.10 | A competing general manager said the problem for the Heat with an Amare Stoudemire trade is Phoenix also wants a team to take a contract that runs beyond this season (Leandro Barbosa or Jason Richardson), and Miami doesn't want to affect this summer's cap space. Plus, Stoudemire said he might invoke his $17.7 million option for 2010-11. ``I think Miami will ride it out and wait until this summer, because Chris Bosh is a better defender than Stoudemire and more of a Pat Riley player,'' a Western Conference executive said.

    Miami Herald

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  129. The Spurs didn't trade Robinson. We don't need to trade Wade.

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  130. JB, you really think Robinson was the best big man of his generation? I would take Hakeem I think.

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  131. Another moment of silence for Ira's blog, I just received word that it now has about 40 hours to live and they are seriously considering pull the the plug on it, because it's already on life support..... If you didn't know already kkboy80 killed it.....

    KUDOS BRO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Even if Ira fixes his shitty blog we still need to keep this one going no sllegde, williams46 and even I-Win seems to have turned the corner too, still a bit Beasley irrationalist but that's you've gotten a little bit more rational in your thinking...LOL

    Great to see everybody's over here. What really the purpose for Ira's blog, he always reports things late or by the time someone else has gotten it off of hoopshype, fanhouse or realgm or once ESPN has rolled across the ticker for about 3 hour already. With all the hoops junkies on this site we can keep each other informed just fine. I'll probably just send him a Ask Ira question to see when's the funeral for his blog..... LMAO!!!!!

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  132. @ Chris we don't have to trade Wade we just have to pay more attention to the draft and actually scout talent.I like Bease but I think Riley just drafted him because he was a big name.Parker was a late first rounder while Manu was a late second rounder and Blair has shown flashes of being an allstar.

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  133. Trade for Gay. His cap hold will be around 4.5 mil. Dump Jones, Cook, and Chalmers and we would have the $$$ to sign a max guy to ADD to Wade, Gay, and Beasley. Instead of mortgaging the future for 2-3 years of STAT.

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  134. @ JB Olajuwan was better then Robinson

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  135. Adam said...
    The Spurs didn't trade Robinson. We don't need to trade Wade.

    February 10, 2010 11:14 AM

    I would take Olajuwon over Robinson, too. I was refering to Duncan and the four championships he won. IMO, Duncan and Shaq were the two best bigs of the 2000s and everyone else is a distant second. I could see arguments for either one being the best, but regardless the Heat don't have anything near either to build around. I don't think any team in the NBA does.

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  136. Hakeem = best big man of the 90s, followed by Ewing, Robinson, and Shaq (not sure the order)

    Duncan, Shaq = best big man of the 2000s. No one else is even close.

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  137. HD#1 what is yoru name on Ira's blog?

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  138. Hakeem = best big man of the 90s, followed by Ewing, Robinson, and Shaq (not sure the order)

    Duncan, Shaq = best big man of the 2000s. No one else is even close.

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 11:29 AM

    Shaq had like 1/3 his prime in the 90s, 2/3s his prime in the 00s. So I'd put guys like Dream, Ewing, and Admiral all over him because their career "fit" better in the given time period we're comparing them in.

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  139. JB said...

    Hakeem = best big man of the 90s, followed by Ewing, Robinson, and Shaq (not sure the order)

    Duncan, Shaq = best big man of the 2000s. No one else is even close.
    ________________


    Robinson was head and shoulders better than Ewing. I would put it The Dream as 1A and The Admiral as 1B. The Admiral was just as dominate on both ends as The Dream. The Dream was just a shade better. But Ewing was clearly a distant 3rd.

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  140. HD#1 said...
    @ Chris we don't have to trade Wade we just have to pay more attention to the draft and actually scout talent.I like Bease but I think Riley just drafted him because he was a big name.Parker was a late first rounder while Manu was a late second rounder and Blair has shown flashes of being an allstar.

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 11:17 AM

    I don't think the Heat have the scouts to pull off what you are saying. Beasley and Butler were no brainers. Butler should have went way earlier in 02, but Knicks and Clippers went full retard(which kinda defines their general managing this entire past decade). Wade was a result of Randy's personnel evaluation.

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  141. http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64594/20100210/team_usa_reveals_27_invites/

    Team USA invitees revealed. WOW Michael Beasley did not get an invite. That's pretty insane.

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  142. Even Kevin Love got an invite!

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  143. Well with Spo constantly showing NO faith in the kid, why should Team USA. Also I think since he was passed over initially they didn't even consider him.

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  144. Even though Amare for Beasley is a bad trade, how nice would it be to have a guy like Amare going up against Smith-Horford tonight. It would be nice to have a big man that could throw it down on an opponent.

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  145. I knew you were talking about Duncan, whoever thought you were talking about Robinson is crazy, Robinson didn't win nothing until Duncan got there and Duncan won 2 more to show who was really leading the way too.

    The Top 5 Centers from the 90-00 are

    1. H. Olajuwaon
    2. S. O'Neal
    3. D. Robinson
    4. P. Ewing(Only because he kept kicking Zo's ass in the PO's)
    5. A. Mourning

    00-10
    1. S. O'Neal(Because he ushered in 2k with a 3'Peat)
    2. T. Duncan
    3. K. Garnett(I know he's not a C, but he's 7'0 and it's not many to choose from so I'm stretching it a bit...LOL)
    4. A. Mourning
    5. Honestly can't really think of any more dominant C's who played at least like 6-8 years of the last decade so by default it's Dwight Howard, R. Wallace, A. Soudemire, P. Gasol(seriously his early Memphis days his team sucked, but he was balling got'em to the PO's a couple of times.)

    But not much to choose from in the last decade better known as the Shaquille Duncan Era, with a Pistons and Lakers minus Shaq championship sprinkled in. They gotta go into the HOF together Shaq and Timmy!!!!!! I think it'd be great for them 2 and I'd love to here Shaq talk about how many rings Duncan stole from him....LMAO!!!!!

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  146. "1. S. O'Neal(Because he ushered in 2k with a 3'Peat)
    2. T. Duncan
    3. K. Garnett(I know he's not a C, but he's 7'0 and it's not many to choose from so I'm stretching it a bit...LOL)
    4. A. Mourning
    5. Honestly can't really think of any more dominant C's who Honestly can't really think of any more dominant C's who played at least like 6-8 years of the last decade so by default it's Dwight Howard, R. Wallace, A. Soudemire, P. Gasol(seriously his early Memphis days his team sucked, but he was balling got'em to the PO's a couple of times.) "

    Where in the hell is YAO!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Sabonis had it going early, but I don't think he played enough...

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  147. I totally forgot about Yao and Sabonis, but Sabonis only played like 3 years and he was like 50 when he came to the NBA

    00-10
    1. Shaq
    2.Duncan
    3.Yao
    4 KG
    5.Zo

    Sorry, I was thinking way too hard to forget about Yao, but hell nah to Sabonis didn't play long enough for me, well at least in the NBA anyways....LOL

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  148. Honestly, I'm warming up to the idea of having Amare and Wade's bird rights (if im not mistaken) add to the fact that we've also been pursuing Haywood. If we trade Beasley and Q and an assortment of picks and filler for Amare and then trade JO for Heywood and Butler. I'm all for that

    Amare and Heywood would be a formidable frontcourt IMO

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  149. I'd agree with that. Some people might argue Dwight Howard though. Zo retired early in the 07-08 season and missed a few years before that too. But Zo did win a title.

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  150. It doesn't shock me Mike didn't get an invite especially with his offseason troubles. Let it motivate him.

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  151. Especially if we're able to dump Jones and/or Cook before the deadline.

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  152. JB said...
    HD#1 what is yoru name on Ira's blog?

    February 10, 2010 11:31 AM

    HeatDolphans#1 I was to lazy to write it out.

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  153. I don't think the Heat have the scouts to pull off what you are saying. Beasley and Butler were no brainers. Butler should have went way earlier in 02, but Knicks and Clippers went full retard(which kinda defines their general managing this entire past decade). Wade was a result of Randy's personnel evaluation.

    February 10, 2010 11:34 AM

    True you might find this funny but alot of mock back then had the Knicks drafting Wade(I think you had the 10th pick back)and us taking TJ Ford basically a true PG.Wade was the result of good scouting but after that it was just whoever had the bigger name Cook was a suspected top 15 pick that could sneak into the the top 10 but he fell which is why Riley drafted him.The 2008 draft is a perfect example of us drafting big names Beasly was the right pick though.

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  154. That's the only reasoj why Zo made the 00-10 list his importance to that championship, Dwight will dominate like the next 2 decades, so he'll have his time... But I agree he could easily be swapt for Zo.

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  155. HD#1 said...

    True you might find this funny but alot of mock back then had the Knicks drafting Wade(I think you had the 10th pick back)and us taking TJ Ford basically a true PG.

    FEBRUARY 10, 2010 12:08 PM

    Yeah that's what I thought would happen too. In fact, I was yelling at my TV for Butler in 02. That woulda been something if the Knicks came away with Butler and Wade in 02 and 03. Sigh. I thought the Heat were going to take Kaman or Ford since you had Eddie Jones and Caron Butler on the wings... ugh.

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  156. Adam said...
    LOL @ Milsap more than capable of replacing him.

    Boozer just had 34 and 14 last night. Lets not act like Milsap is that kind of player.


    3 games ago, Milsap had 34/17/7. So yea

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  157. @Chris alot of teams back then drafted for needs instead of potential for example Bowie over Jordan.When teams draft for need the player will most likely be a bust.The latest example would be when the Pistons drafted Darko he didn't deserve to be the second pick.

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  158. I had an extended post, detailing why you don't deal Beasley in a package for Amar'e, but it's just repetition of what's already been said. Given the injury history, contract status and system differences, it just doesn't seem like Riley's type of move. At least, not for anything more than expirings/picks.

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  159. @Ohshz Thank you Millsap is a good player who can replace Boozer

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  160. Little interest in Amare, especially if Beasley is the cost. I honestly think we only have two real answers here. Either make whoesale changes to the roster (using every expiring contract we have) or eat up our extra $6 to $8M in cap space now by way of trade.

    Not in love with Iggy, Jamison, any of the other $10M players that we keep hearing about.

    Of course the 3rd option is no trades at all and go into the crap-skoot this off-season....has me very nervious.

    As far as the #2 option, we would be trading J.Jones and Richardson for a $10 to $12 millions dollar player. Not sure who that could be as most of the players being dangled are 30+ by a bit, and that is counter to our direction, we are looking to build for the next 5 years, meaning we need to bring in under 30s for the core group.

    Wade, Beasley, Max FA, and ??

    We shall see...

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  161. After seeing that David Thorpe is in favor of trading Beasley for Amar'e, I KNOW it's the wrong move.

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  162. Richardson & Jones for Hinrich?

    Hinrich
    Wade
    Wright
    Beasley
    O'Neal

    Still in postion for a Max player next year.

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  163. What were Thorpe's reasons for favoring the trade.

    I say trade Beasley for a bag of bones if it makes Wade happy and you really feel it is the only way to keep Wade.

    Personally I'll keep Beas and take my chances with Wade.

    I also think Riley is just putting Beasley's name out there as a sign to Wade that he's willing to do everything to keep him. I don't think Riley is actually looking to trade Beasley. It may have been the compromise they reached when they discussed our offense being crappy and Wade saying his comments on that were "misconstrued."

    You don't trade a 2nd year 21 year old player who can score 20 in a half without a very very excellent reason. You simply don't.

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  164. BTW this blog is too dark and narrow. Can we brighten and widen it up a tad? It needs more purity. This is Haslem's-chewed-mouthguard scary :)

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  165. Theodore (Jacksonvile)

    Do you think giving up Beasley for Amare is a good idea for the Heat?

    David Thorpe (12:11 PM)

    I do. You hope Beasley gets to be as good as Amare is.
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    Danny "Blood" Swathmore (LA)

    Thorpe! Beasley, Iguodala, Hickson, KMart... which trade would be best for Suns to pursue? You're going to say stand pat, aren't you?

    David Thorpe (12:29 PM)

    Beasley. Has the upside and the cheap deal.
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    Thorpe is pretty much the master at drive-by chatting, but I guess it comes down to who's a better player right now. Too short-sighted IMO.

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  166. My vote is that Riley needs to make the wholesale changes now.

    Trade away JO, Q, and UD and bring in 3 new CORE players to go along with Wade and Beasley.

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  167. Well Hollinger said it'd be a terrible trade for Miami to give up Beasley, and he goes off stats, which is the only thing Amare has going for him.

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  168. I wouldn't trade Beasley for Amare. No way. Injuries, attitude, and look at his numbers, he got all those numbers on a run and gun team with a 2 time MVP point guard. Next you guys are gonna say we should trade Beasley for David Lee.

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  169. If we do ever trade Beasley, it needs to be for someone that plays good defense as well, because you can't justify trading him for an older player that scores more, because Beasley could always score more if we didn't play the SLOWEST offense in the NBA and if he played all his minutes at a position that he is suited for.

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  170. Wade, Beasley, Max FA, and ??
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    Andre Iguodala I'm telling you the 76ers are on a five game winning streak minus Iverson for like 3 of the games.
    He's avg 17ppg, 7asp, 6rebs, 2 stls what's not to like about him.
    He plays very good defense and is just turned 26... Are you kidding me he's everything we hope Dorell Wright would ever become. I'm all for trading for Iguodala.

    A trade of Wright, Q-Rich and Cook for Iguodala and Carney works by the numbers. The 76ers get about $11 million off the cap and Iggy fills SF void for the next 5 yrs the $12 million vacancy we have available and still have enough money to go to after a MAX FA or spread it around for some depth at PG and C. Also look into Steve Blake with Marcus Banks trade exception, possibly... We'd look like

    Blake or Skip
    Wade
    Iguodala
    Beasley
    JO

    Not contending but it's better than what we have now... Iggy's 17,7,6 would be enough to convince Wade we're moving in the right direction or if Wade does decide to leave Iggy and Beasley will have us set at the 3&4 for years with a shit load of cap space...lol

    Iggy's a win-win for us either way you look at the equation...

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  171. Amare doesn't have better stats than Beasley. Scroll up above to my earlier posts. When Beasley gets the minutes his numbers are nearly identical. I'd say that's pretty impressive considering the style of play between the two teams and the fact Amare is playing with Nash.

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  172. Play Amare 30mpg on the Heat and see what kind of numbers he puts up... that is if he doesn't demand because he's only playing 30mpg.

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  174. Let him have to catch the ball 20 feet from the basket to create his own offense too.

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  175. Look at Beasley's last 3 games.

    He gets 41 minutes verses the Cavs and puts up 21 and 12 on 9-14 shooting.

    Then he gets 22 min versus the Bulls and puts up 6pts, 6reb on 2-11 shooting.

    Then he gets 15 minutes verses the Rockets and puts up 10pts, 5reb on 5-10 shooting.

    During the Heat's recent 5 game losing streak the only time he played over 30 minutes was the game against the Cavs. It's convinient to say "he doesn't get the minutes because he doesn't produce", but the fact is he does produce when given the minutes and the Heat win at a 60% rate when he plays more than 30 minutes.

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  176. Agreed Lord Hades and JB....

    It's almost mind boggling how Amare #'2 are a pedestrian 21n8, as opposed to his pre ACL numbers of 25n9 in that system alongside arguably one of the greatest PG's to ever lace up a pair of high-tops. Beasley would lead the league in scoring in that kind of system.

    Not saying Amare's washed up just yet, but his best days are pretty much behind him. If all he can put up is 21n8 in Phx as pretty much the #1 option, what do you think he would put up beside Wade taking 20+ shots a night about the same thing he's doing in Phx right now, maybe less in the atrocious offense that Spo runs. Hell if we pick up the pace we'd see a totally different Beasley than we've seen all year playing a faster tempo Spo knows this too, his just doesn't want to give in to it and that's what bothers me the most about him. Any other coach would play to his personnel's strength. We don't really have half-court personnel or enough knock down 3pt shooters to keep the defense honest from collapsing on Wade or JO in the post, thank god Beasley can knock down a 3 or 2 to make them pay him some attention out there to give JO or Wade some space. If you don't believe it just watch any Heat game when Haslem enters, that's why he's always so damn wide open, believe me it's not by design cause is that were the case Beasley would get a lot of the same looks Haslem's been getting his whole career.

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  177. First of all,good job Kbboy,for creating a new blog for all of us.Ira`s blog format is crap and its basically a ghost town over there.If this Amare deal only gets done if you include Beasley,then you dont do it.Beasley is on a rookie contract,has gotten a little bit better this year and is only 21 with alot of room for improvement.I like Amare,but the only way Id trade for Amare is if Beasley isnt involved.Wade,Amare,and scrubs arent going to get you anywhere,it would be a 2nd round and done team.

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  178. I'd like to see us play at a faster pace, kinda like last night. We certainly aren't going to be Phoenix or Golden State, but we don't need to. We do to do a better job at pushing the issue at times, particularly when Joel is in the game, as opposed to JO ...who can't run.

    I think it'd make it easier on Wade and Beasley, who go to the hole, in catching guys out of position and open up things better for our 3-pt shooters. Hell, it doesn't even have to be pushing the fast and secondary break. Just involve some occasional cutting alongside the ever-present high screen. Anything to make the offense less stagnant and to get away from this 90% isolation bullshit we keep running. Look at the ball movement from last night. It was beautiful.

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  179. kbboy you can add a blog with live stream and chat to broadcast games not sure how you do this but I've seen some blogs that do it.

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  180. I can give him the live stream feeds for the games. I haven't bought League Pass in like 2 years....LMAO!!!!!!

    Great Idea HD#1.... We gotta do this.... I'm game...lol

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  181. A chatbox would be awesome. I think the last time we had a chat was back during the 07 draft... These guys were crying when the Heat drafted Jason Smith lol.

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  182. http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64589/20100210/heat_willing_to_give_up_beasley_for_amare/

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  183. Read that one already blackmamba and the yahoo's reporting the same thing.

    One question though...

    When's Ira gonna report anything about any of this stuff?

    LMAO!!!!!!!

    KUDOS, KKBOY80 ,BLACKMAMBA JUST CONFIRMED WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND HE JUST GOT HERE....LMAO!!!!!!!

    WE GOTTA KEEP THE BLOG ALIVE AND COME UP WITH A REAL COOL NAME MAYBE "HEAT CHECK 1,2,3..."

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  184. Lol,You know Ira is joke,d_webz.He`s over there telling people not to post because he trying to fix the format.

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  185. Heres the live chat I was talking about


    http://chatroll.com

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  186. BlackMamba said...
    Lol,You know Ira is joke,d_webz.He`s over there telling people not to post because he trying to fix the format."

    lol, I'm pretty sure that's not Ira.

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  187. And here's the live stream not sure how to put it on a blog but these are the websites hope it helps.

    http://www.justin.tv

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  188. LOL I know he is Blackmamba... I'm not really messing with Ira's blog anymore even if he fixes it, way much more freedom over here and we have real input on what gets posted and the topic's we can choose to discuss and if we can get the live game feed up and running who'd really give a fuck damn about Ira's blog anymore...

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