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Monday, March 1, 2010

Pieces to the 2010 Puzzle

UPDATED CALCULATIONS - Assuming a conservative $53 Million Cap for 2010 (contracts rounded into tenths)


$16.6 D. Wade (his max contract starts at 30% of the cap)
$5.0 M. Beasley
$2.2 D. Cook
$1.9 J. Jones (assuming his release, deadline is June 30th)
$1.5 MIA First Round pick (estimate)
$1.3 TOR First Round pick (estimate)
$0.8 M. Chalmers
$0.8 J. Anthony
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$29.1 for seven roster spots
$0.5 empty slot cap hold
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$31.6 cap hold after the draft, releasing James Jones and re-signing Wade

Leaves $21.4 million on the table. Every time a player is signed, you eliminate a $0.5 cap hold too, so that is a lot of money. Assuming they spend it on:

2 players = $22.4 million ... two players averaging $11.2M
3 players = $22.9 million ... three players averaging $7.6M
4 players = $23.4 million ... four players averaging $5.9M (about 4 mid level exceptions)
5 players = $23.9 million ... five players averaging $4.8M
6 players = $24.4 million ... six players averaging $4.1M

Most likely, the last few roster spots would be filled with players earning the veteran minimum after the money has been exhausted between two to four players. A second round pick or undrafted free agent could also round the roster, but let's not waste our time with roster spots 11-15.

What would you guys do if you had these numbers to play with? Besides Wade, the Heat has $10-15 million in tradeable assets, depending on whether it keeps James Jones on board for another season or not (yes, Beasley is a trade asset... think back to Boston trading Al Jefferson for KG). Maybe the glass is half full after all?

Thanks a New Day for providing the maximum starting salaries for the top players:

$17.3 A. Stoudemire
$16.8 J. Johnson
$16.6 D. Wade
$16.6 L. James
$16.6 C. Bosh
$14.4 C. Boozer
$12.0 R. Gay



75 comments:

  1. You forget Joel Anthony who has a player option. Though his numbers really don't impact your numbers much.

    And are you sure a max is $15.6? I thought it was about $17.5!

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  2. Actually Wade can make 105% of what he made in his previous salary unless I'm mistaken.

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  3. Maximum Player Salaries
    As under the prior CBA, in the first year of a new contract a player may receive the greater of 105% of the player’s prior salary, or:
    • 0-6 years of service: 25% of Salary Cap ($12 million this year).
    • 7-9 years of service: 30% of Salary Cap ($14.4 million this year).
    • 10 or more years of service: 35% of Salary Cap ($16.8 million this year).
    • The maximum player salaries will continue to be based on a 48.04% of Basketball related Income (BRI) Salary Cap (not on the new, higher Salary Cap).

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  4. So Wade, LeBron, Bosh would be $16.6 (105% of last years amount) each.

    Amare would be $17.3 (105% of last years salary).

    J.Johnson would be $16.8 (10 years of exp)

    Boozer would be $14.4 (8 years)

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  5. I think we will be looking at Wade and Amare (yes, I'd rather have Bosh too).

    That's $40....not sure how I feel about paying Amare more than Wade, but that's part of the reason he is within reach.

    That leaves us $3.4M for one more player, maybe Wright.

    Alston, Chalmers
    Wade, Chalmers
    Wright, Beasley
    Amare, Beasley
    Anthony, Magloire
    + Cook, 2 firest rounders and a vet min.

    * Obviously I'm not overly optomistic with our chances, I thought we blew it big-time when we didn't do all the trades at the deadline.

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  6. Yup, a new day is correct. I was too lazy to write it all out. There's no chance Wade gets less than 16.6 million in the first year of his contract next season.

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  7. anyone interested in a flyer on michael finley?

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  8. If Amare comes on to play center thats something I can deal with. I would rather have Amare at center than Bosh, tho Bosh is the better player overall. I think Amare has shown he can be a dominant presence at center. Neither player is a player I personally want to give a max contract to, altho I am sure both will get one from anywhere they go. I am not all for taking so much chunk of cap space for players that dont demand automatic double teams. I would prefer to build this team thru more trades than free agency in the offseason. Thats is what I said I think will happen all along and I stand by it.

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  9. BTW Cyrus, good job holing the blog down. Watching the Heat suck seems to dam[en my spirits. I think we will bounce back. We finally seemed to hit a groove and then Wade gets hurt. We have to find it again.

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  10. I think Amare/Bosh + Beasley as the 4/5 is way too weak to win a title. Has a team ever won with a frontcourt that weak defensively?

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  11. i think the overall goal is to get a wade a big man that can command double teams and then perhaps use beasley to get a pg.

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  12. Yeah and good job Cyrus "Dwyane Wade-ing" this blog for us.

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  13. adrianw743 said...
    i think the overall goal is to get a wade a big man that can command double teams and then perhaps use beasley to get a pg.

    MARCH 1, 2010 5:55 PM

    Yeah I'd sign Bosh, trade Beasley + expirings(s&t) + picks for Darren Collison and Emeka Okafor.

    Collison
    Wade
    some SF you sign with remainder of cap(~7million ish)
    Bosh
    Okafor

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  14. emeka is the defensive presence that the heat usually covet, i will say that. not sure about emeka though. collison right now is loooking good, but besides the numbers i kinda want to see a lil more before i am sold

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  15. celtics will try to sign michael finley. mike james gets his buyout. mark blount gets a buyout, and travis diener, wade's boy will sign in portland

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  16. Yes, it is $16.6 for Wade due to the 105%... I meant to change that as soon as I finished my article as I was cross referencing, but I've been having trouble with my connection... damn it changes the numbers a bit... in any case, we don't know what the cap will be, but it gives a rough estimate, and helped me visualize the challenge ahead a little better to put it on paper

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  17. cap number could be 53 million cyrus

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  18. so as I was listening to 790 the ticket this morning, sedano mentions that JO not only cant stand spoelstra, but that essentially he does not respect him and that maybe that has filtered to the other guys. makes too much sense when you watch this team and notice how they respond when facing adversity

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  19. Beasley was extremely vocal on the floor last night, talking smack to Magic forward Rashard Lewis, yelling during his first possession "you can't guard me" as he drove past Lewis for a miss at the rim.

    After the game, Beasley sat in his locker talking with teammate and mentor Udonis Haslem, saying he wasn't going to talk anymore



    Read more: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=15449#ixzz0gyNXVpnY

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  20. The good news is that 13 of their remaining 22 games are home games including three straight starting Tuesday with Golden State.


    The bad news is the HEAT have been a .500 ball club at home this season.




    Read more: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=15449#ixzz0gyNgO7xr

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  21. adrianw743 said...

    so as I was listening to 790 the ticket this morning, sedano mentions that JO not only cant stand spoelstra, but that essentially he does not respect him and that maybe that has filtered to the other guys. makes too much sense when you watch this team and notice how they respond when facing adversity
    March 1, 2010 6:59 PM
    .....................

    Well, just look how Spo misused JO last year before the playoffs. I still contend he was the second best/most reliable player during that series.

    Spo coddles Wade and Haslem. But his incompetence is showing through. Each game is a new catch-phrase. His last was "being in the moment". Who can stand that shit? I don't want Riley to return to coaching at all, but I want other than Spo. Don't give me that loser from the Hornets (byron scott) either. How about Patrick Ewing???

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  22. Spo coddles Wade and Haslem. But his incompetence is showing through. Each game is a new catch-phrase. His last was "being in the moment". Who can stand that shit? I don't want Riley to return to coaching at all, but I want other than Spo. Don't give me that loser from the Hornets (byron scott) either. How about Patrick Ewing???

    March 1, 2010 9:27 PM

    lmao Ewing is not a better coach then Scott.

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  23. Ewing has more coaching experience than Spo, he worked with Yaozers and Howard, the two best centers in the NBA when healthy. He's also a better basketball mind as he possesses extensive professional basketball experience both as a player and on the sidelines.

    I agree Scott's a much better coach than Ewing, but Ewing shouldn't be worse than Spo. At least with his professional resume Ewing will command more respect than Spo.

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  24. I agree Scott's a much better coach than Ewing, but Ewing shouldn't be worse than Spo. At least with his professional resume Ewing will command more respect than Spo.

    March 1, 2010 9:45 PM

    Shouldnt?He isn't but the question is would he even want to become a head coach let alone ours?I think he's gonna with Orl until they at least get a championship(His first?) before he thinks about becoming a head coach

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  25. "Chris said...
    adrianw743 said...
    i think the overall goal is to get a wade a big man that can command double teams and then perhaps use beasley to get a pg.

    MARCH 1, 2010 5:55 PM

    Yeah I'd sign Bosh, trade Beasley + expirings(s&t) + picks for Darren Collison and Emeka Okafor.

    Collison
    Wade
    some SF you sign with remainder of cap(~7million ish)
    Bosh
    Okafor"

    If you sign Bosh, you have up the rights to do Sign and Trades. So no Okafor, no Collison. Riley gave up the right to getting a team with several players away at the deadline.

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  26. I still would rather have Scott great coach seems like someone you can respect even if he doesn't play the I'm your buddy game and unlike Spo he doesn't use terms like energy bus(Really?).

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  27. a lil bit of movement in standings tonight as charlotte and chicago losing.

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  28. Okafor and Collison would be a combined $12.8 mil against the cap. Based on Cyrus' calculations, if the Heat signed one other max guy along with Wade they would have $7.1 mil in cap space. Beasley ($5 mil) plus the $7.1 mil in cap space is $12.1 mil. That's probably close enough to get it done, but I'm not sure the Hornets do it.

    It would definitely be the kind of deal to consider if Bosh or Amare is signed. But, I have to think if the Heat were willing to move Beasley they could have had Amare at the deadline. Would the Suns really rather have Amare walk than Beasley and a pick?

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  29. I'm really not worried anymore about next year. The Heat have basically been rolling with minimum level guys on the bench for 3 years now. That hasn't been the problem. The problem has been the starting lineup has been guys earning starters level paychecks performing at mid-level value or below. If we can resign Wade and add 1 All NBA caliber player (Bosh or Amare) and sign one All Star caliber player (not sure who), we will be in good shape. If you get a Bosh and Rudy Gay combo the sky is the limit.

    I agree about the coaching change. Up until a month or two into this season I was behind Spo, but I don't think he's got what it takes. JO not respecting him comes as no surprise. Honestly, other than Chalmers, Beasley, Cook, Wright, and Anthony I don't see why anyone on the team would respect him. And 3 out of those 5 guys are the players he has fukked over the most.

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  30. If We Wade and Amare, we have less than $4M to spend.

    Heat don't have enough space to get Wade, Bosh, and Amare...even if we get rid of Jones, Beasley, and the 2 1st rounders.

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  31. I think the Suns and Heat may resume talks after the season on a sign and trade. They probably should just overpay Amare though.

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  32. Spo is got to go...but no Riley!

    Byron Scott would be a huge improvement.

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  33. If we do a sign and trade for Amare (I see no point), all you do is have to guarentee Amare ANOTHER year!!!

    Again, why would you trade Beasley and a 1st rounder to get Amare...all it does is open a bit of cap space....but not near enough to get another max contract.

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  34. A New Day, Cyrus' calculations state "2 players = $22.7 million ... a max of $15.6 + $7.1". I am reading it that this amount is including cap holds and AFTER Wade is resigned. So, Wade plus Bosh or Amare means there would be $7.1 mil left in cap space. They could spend it on one guy, split it on multiple guys, or combine it with the salary of a guy on the books and take back contracts totaling the same value.

    If they combined it with Beasley ($5 mil), they could take back salary of around $12 mil.

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  35. gay could be had for that 12 million

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  36. JB, read below his column. He is mistaken.

    Wade is $16.6
    Amare would be $17.3.
    $5.0 M. Beasley
    $2.2 D. Cook
    $1.9 J. Jones (assuming his release, deadline is June 30th)
    $1.5 MIA First Round pick (estimate)
    $1.3 TOR First Round pick (estimate)
    $0.8 M. Chalmers

    That's $46.6 for 8 players...3 cap holds would be another 1.5M (assuming we only get one more free-agent....That's $48.1 (leaving us $3.9M for that one player beyond Amare).

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  37. Now JB, if we could somehow get J.Johnson and trade Beasley and 2 1st rounders for a maxed out Gay...that would work. But only because they both make less than Amare would max at.

    Trading away J.Jones, Beasley, Cook , and those 2 1st round picks would get us another $9.9M. But that's unlikely.

    Find someone to make that trade for all that for a future second rounder and you would have
    Wade at $16.6M, Chalmers at $.8M, $4M for cap holds, and would still have $30.6M to try to sign 2 max players....which would be enough for Gay and any other Max FA.

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  38. If we don't get Bosh or LeBron we screwed up. Because anyone other than those 2 will have to be OVERPAID and leave us with a team barely able to make the play-offs.

    Chalmers
    Wade, Cook
    Beasley
    (Amare or Boozer)
    Anthony
    + 2 1st round picks, a $3.9M player, and 3 vet minimums.

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  40. I just really dont see us using up all our cap space on 1 or 2 guys. Like I said, everyone will be overpaid, but only LBJ and Wade are worth max deals. Not Amare nor Bosh. I would much rather swing that money between 2 or 3 new starters with Wade and Beasley. Imo , Wade is that good he doesnt need a "max" guy to win. I dont want to see any of this 2 man game stuff anyway. Give me Okafor, Gay and Felton, or some players of that level over Bosh/Amare to pair with Wade and whatever guard or sf u bring in after trading Beasley.

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  41. As much as we talk about free agency, teams will still be moving salaries in the offseason. The trade route will be there for us.

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  42. i would say this. i like bosh because he is 25 yrs old and can play pf/c giving us versatility. gay is 23 and can play sf/sg. they are both young and versatile. that would be my goal, much like an oklahoma city or portland, go get young and talented. there is no young shaq available that you can put with wade and play this 2 man game. thats why i am opposed to someone like boozer who is not versatile and will be 29 this yr

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  44. kbboy80,

    So you'd rather use the $21M on three of four players.

    So we can bring in players like Richardson, Wright, Haslem, and J. O'Neal?

    Isn't that the four mid-level players we are dropping to get the four players?

    As far as trades. I don't think there will be any sign and trades availabel to us...that ship has sailed.

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  45. Just think we could this team right now:
    Alston, Arroyo
    Wade, Cook
    Butler, Wright
    Jamison, Beasley
    Haywood, Anthony
    + 2 1st round picks in the upcoming draft

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  46. THere will be sign and trades available for teams and player who want each other but dont have the space. Thats where we come in. Its how we got Brian Grant while getting Kemp to go to Cleveland. Besides that tho, we will be able to trade with teams looking to dump space or a team that may need a 3rd party. We arent looking at this thing deep enough, lets not limit ourselves to just the free agents.

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  47. Now as far as the 3 players for 21 mill or whatever, first off that core we are dropping makes way more than that but thats besides the point. Its much too easy to just say we can only get mid level players. I can give you a group of guys right now who fit into that 20 something mill range.

    Kaman-Salmons-Andre Miller

    Haywood- Artest-Hinrich

    Okafor-Wallace-Dooling

    Blatche-Prince-Felton

    Dalembert - Pietrus-Nate

    Not advocating any of those combos or the fact that we can/will get them but my point was to show that there are value contracts out there if you take the trade route.

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  48. A New Day said...

    "kbboy80,

    So you'd rather use the $21M on three of four players.

    So we can bring in players like Richardson, Wright, Haslem, and J. O'Neal?

    Isn't that the four mid-level players we are dropping to get the four players?

    As far as trades. I don't think there will be any sign and trades availabel to us...that ship has sailed."



    That ship hasnt sailed, the only way you can do sign and trades is in the offseason when u have cap space and free agents.

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  49. i asked ira what he thought about the heat going after michael finley. he said the heat does need to go after a scorer, but if michael finley could score he would still be with san antonio. smh

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  50. AND.. OK I am following what you are saying about the cap. Here is what Josh posted last week. It basically agrees with what you are saying, but his info is stating the projected cap is now at $57 million. The numbers are pretty close to yours.. I believe the only differnce is the projected salary cap.

    He also pointed out that if the cap goes down that the max contracts will be less since they are a percentage of the cap. 30% of $57mil = $17.1 mil, 30% of $52 mil = $15.6. I'm not sure whether ot not you took that into account, but it would probably free up another $2 million.

    Josh posted:
    Salary cap breakdown for those that don’t know:

    Projected cap of $57 million.

    Beasley – $5 million
    Cook – $2 million
    Chalmers – $1 million
    James Jones buy-out – $2 million
    2 First round draft picks – $3 million cap hold
    Wade – $16.5 million
    Bosh (or another max FA) – $16.5 million
    = $46 million committed with 5 roster spots open

    5 open roster spots’ cap holds @ $500,000 each = $2.5 million

    Which would bring us to $48.5 million committed (or IOW, $8.5 million left oevr) with Wade, Bosh (or another max), Beasley, Cook, Chalmers, and two first round draft picks under contract.

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  51. When the Heat got Shaq the starting lineup was Wade, Shaq, Haslem, Eddie Jones, Damon Jones with a bench of Laettner, Rasual Butler, Dooling, and some other guys I'm forgetting. My point is the roster was garbage outside of Wade and Shaq and they still got to the ECF and might have made it to the Finals if Wade was not injured.

    I don't think Bosh or Amare is better than Shaq was that season, but they are the best bigs in the game outside of Howard, Duncan, Yao, or Pau Gasol. KG seems to be on his downward slope and Duncan is not far behind. I don't see the Heat taking a chance on Yao. It gives the Heat a strong foundation moving forward for the next 5-6 years.

    Additionally, Beasley should be better than the third option at that team or Walker, Posey, or JWill on the championship team. Unfortunately, he's been somewhat of a dissappointment. Personally, I think he has been mishandled. He should be getting minutes EVERY NIGHT as he is essential to the Heat's future. He's going to have off shooting nights, but NOW is the time to let him figure out how to work through it on the court. Spoelstra needs to play him or Riley needs to step in and tell him to play him. Haslem is one of my favorite players, but in all likelyhood he's not going to be here next year. Making the playoffs with Wade and five guys (Alston, JO, Richardson, Haslem, and Wright) who likely won't be here next year seems shortsighted when everything is about 2010.

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  52. And really the Heat only have to worry about the ECF come playoff time. That means the Cavs (who will likely be moving forward with a Varejao, Jamison, Hickson front court after this year), Celtics (Perkins, old KG, old Rasheed, Davis), Hawks (Horford, Smith, Zaza), and Magic (Howard, Lewis, Bass, Anderson).

    Going forward none of those front courts scare me. I think Bosh, Beasley, and banger off the bench matches up well. KG and Shaq are a year or two from being finished... we won't have to worry about them. Bosh, Beasley, big man match up well with Atlanta (undersized), Orlando (Lewis plays much smaller than his size), and Cavs. Chicago might be able to put together a good front court, but Noah is still only a 6'11" center/PF with no real offensive game.

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  53. Bosh + Beasley together in the frontcourt would be terrible(as the 5 and 4). So would Bosh at the 4 and Beasley at the 3(Beasley's SF work is terrible)

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  54. kbboy80 said...
    A New Day said...

    "kbboy80,

    So you'd rather use the $21M on three of four players.

    So we can bring in players like Richardson, Wright, Haslem, and J. O'Neal?

    Isn't that the four mid-level players we are dropping to get the four players?"

    Q, Wright, and Haslem are only mid level players because Riley is utterly incompetent. Most players give those type of players about 2-4 million per. And that's if they actually get signed.

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  55. "Bosh + Beasley together in the frontcourt would be terrible(as the 5 and 4). So would Bosh at the 4 and Beasley at the 3(Beasley's SF work is terrible)"

    How is it any worse than what they are competing against?

    Al Horford, Josh Smith,
    Varejao, Jamison, Powe, old Shaq, old Z
    Perkins, old KG, old Wallace, Davis
    Howard, Lewis, Bass, Anderson

    Is any of that really better than something like Bosh, Beasley, and something like a Camby/PJ Brown type? Bosh is basically playing center now and putting up 20/10.

    Chicago might end up having the best front line if they get Amare or Boozer to pair with Noah and Gibson.

    The Lakers have the best front line, but why worry about a team you may or may not play in the Finals... first you have to get there.

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  56. Anyways, I wouldn't pass on Bosh at this point just because you have Beasley. If you can get Bosh, or even Amare, you need to do it and figure out what to do with Beasley later. The Heat have wasted two years figuring out what to do with Beasley, what's another two?

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  57. We are letting 4 of our best 6 players walk away to bring in that 1 or 2 guys that Riley believes will make us a contender.

    With the low cap, I think its down to 1 all-star to go with Wade and Beasley....or maybe 2 all-stars (with the second coming by a Beasley trade).

    Would Toronto trade Bosh for Beasley, 2 1st rounders, J.Jones, Cook, and a sizeable trade exemption once they realize that Bosh isn't staying this off-season?

    Wade, Bosh, and Gay maybe enough to contender once we get a few decent vets to jump aboard.

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  58. Hey JB,

    THanks for the return post. Regarding 05...um Eddie Jones was actually a good player, Haslem played pretty good that year, and you are forgetting ZO who we got half way thru that year (while we were still below 500).

    Regarding the cap...Wade's numbers aren't changes by the cap, either would Amare, Bosh, or LeBron...because they get the 105% of this years for a max. Gay and Johnson will be based on the cap.

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  59. regarding last post....I'm mixing 04 and the 05 season. Sorry. Zo came to us mid-season I believe but we were above 500.

    The 05 team was our best team in my opinion...because they fit together so well...and because it was Shaq first year with us and he was renewed and dominating so much more than he did the following year.

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  60. "We are letting 4 of our best 6 players walk away to bring in that 1 or 2 guys that Riley believes will make us a contender."

    We are letting JO, Haslem, Richardson, and Wright walk. It's not exactly like letting 4 of the best players on the Celtics, Lakers, Magic, Nuggets, or Mavs walk.

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  61. Riley is stating they can resign Wade, bring in a second max guy, and sign another Allstar. I would hope he knows what he's talking about since he's in charge, but then again seeing what has happened recently who knows.

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  62. i am assuming finley is going ring chasing, so what about signing both larry hughes and mike james and releasing arroyo?

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  63. Kyle (Elmhurst)


    Realistically, who do the bulls land next summer. Your best guess...

    Chad Ford (1:33 PM)


    I think they have a really good shot at DWade. If they can't get him, my guess is they land Joe Johnson.

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  64. Charles (Toronto)


    Do you give the Thunder any shot at signing Bosh?

    Chad Ford (1:41 PM)


    I do. I think they'll have a compelling case. They're close to his home. Offer two young superstar quality talents to put him with. Have a great owner, GM and fan base. If I was Bosh, I'd play for them over any team out there short of some sort of Dream Team hook up with LeBron and Wade in Miami. I don't know what Bosh will do. He may stay in Toronto. Chicago and Miami will both be tempting. NY too if LeBron came. But if he values winning a championship, I think he should run to OKC.

    Jack (Dallas, TX)


    Any reason why Kevin Durant doesn't get the respect like LBJ, Kobe, and Wade? How would you rank Durant? Top 5 players in the NBA?

    Chad Ford (1:43 PM)


    He's in my Top 5. 1. LeBron 2. Dwight Howard. 3. Dwyane Wade 4. Kobe Bryant 5. Kevin Durant.

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  65. Drew (Dallas)


    What would YOU, Chad Ford, like to see happen this summer? Where does LBJ, Wade, Bosh, John Wall, ect go in your perfect world?

    Chad Ford (1:47 PM)


    I don't worry about LeBron. He's already in a good situation. I think he's fine staying in Cleveland. It's Wade that I worry about. He's so talented. Would love to see him in a winning situation. If Miami can't recruit 'Bron or Bosh, I hope he goes to Chicago. I'd like to see Bosh in OKC. As for Wall ... would love to see Larry Bird finally get a break in Indiana. Add Wall to that Pacer team and suddenly they are very interesting. Without him, it's going to be another ugly year.

    Chad Ford (1:47 PM)


    What I don't want to see ... is 'Bron, Wade and Bosh on the same team. It won't be any fun to see a team win 75 games and crush everyone for the next 4 years. I like some parity

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  66. I think Riley and Arison should've eaten Jrich's contract...spun him off to Mem this summer for Gay.

    I do hope Riley can grab an allstar caliber PG for 6 or 7mil/per. We can make do with average C's. We need another guard.

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  67. "Q, Wright, and Haslem are only mid level players because Riley is utterly incompetent. Most players give those type of players about 2-4 million per. And that's if they actually get signed."

    What? Riley didnt give Q his contract, Wright is making 2.5 and Haslem actually could have got more than the MLE when he resigned here. As it stands Haslem will get that deal again probably, somewhere else tho, Q wont, and some team might try to overpay on wright still developing. The guys taht are overpaid on Riley's bench are no worse than what other teams have with Luke Walton, Brandon Bass, and Jamario Moon for example.

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  68. The guys taht are overpaid on Riley's bench are no worse than what other teams have with Luke Walton, Brandon Bass, and Jamario Moon for example.

    MARCH 2, 2010 3:20 PM

    Those are guys on winning teams though. They can afford to overpay, in fact they rightfully should to keep themselves competitive. The Heat have had no reason to get/keep guys with stupidly big contracts but they still do. Because Riley can't get the bargain deal players.

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  69. If thats your stance then how do u blame Riley? The lakers werent a winning team when they signed Walton to that deal. That was horrible. The Miami Heat was a winning team tho when they signed Haslem. We never signed Q, we needed o get rid of Blount and it was a great deal, no matter if Q should be starting or not, because hes better than what Blount was giving us in every single way. As far as Wright goes, his contract his fine, give us the same, if not better production than Moon was giving us last year who signed with CLV for more money.

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  70. I wouldn't say Blount for Q is "great". Great is getting Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown or Kevin Garnett for Al Jefferson or even Shaq for Ben Wallace(for that matter I already forgot who the Cavs gave up for Mo Williams, only reason I'm not bringing it up). Getting Q-Rich pales in comparison.

    If Riley was a good GM, he woulda done exactly what these other teams have done with a good player or core group, and that's keep adding more players(good contract or not), not getting rid of players. Maybe if he had done that then Shaq wouldn't have quit on him. But when you have a crappy team, you shouldn't be getting James Jones for 4 million per, or an old Jermaine O'Neal for 23 million. You need to start getting some good players who are around Wade's age and have appropriate contracts.

    But to be fair the Walton deal was horrible. But that's one individual deal, you don't judge the Lakers by one bad deal. They have been overall a tremendously successful organization at acquiring talent and their track record contains many more good moves than bad ones.

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  71. I know you guys all think I am nuts to back Riley and the 2010 plan, but I stand by it. I am glad we are doing it and IMO I am glad we have Riley at the helm. I will not back down from that and we will just have to wait and see whos right after the summer. ALL THAT BEING SAID....

    I take a look back and say we could have done this...

    JO-Q-UD-Jones-2 picks could have us looking like

    Haywood
    Amare
    Butler
    JRich
    Dwade
    .............WOW

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  72. Chris when it comes to that imo, everyone is looking at "what have you done lately". The Lakers were in shambles not too long ago. They almost had to trade away Kobe. Walton wasnt the only bad deal. Getting rid of Shaq was a bad deal. Even worse was getting Butler in that deal and in turn shipping him for Kwame and then turning around and giving Kwame a huge deal. That Gasol deal was the same deal Riley was after. He missed it by not having a draft pick, a pick he gave up to try to keep his team in contention. The Memphis deal was just pathetic. THey didnt even want Odom back in the deal, pure salary dump and a joke. Dont give Boston too much credit for KG. They tanked, missed out on the 1st pick and then got desperate. KG had turned down the deal to Boston, he didnt want to go anywhere. Boston got desperate and trade for Ray Allan. Had KG not come over that would have been a horrible deal to give away your youth for Allan. Lets remember they were about to do the same to get Shawn Marion.

    As far as Riley with Shaq, its not his fault he couldnt keep the team in contention. Wade got hurt, Shaq got hurt, but more importantly, Mickey wouldnt let Pat spend the chump change to bring back the 2 guys, Posey and EJ, that had gotten us in the playoffs with Wade hurt. We went like 23 and 6 down the stretch with that crew. Blame the owner for being cheap. The same guy thats in CLV, Mo, we went after but didnt have the money. Clv got him on a salary dump from another bad organization. We went after Odom as well, and wether he played us or not, Riley went after him hard. Riley has more good moves than bad, everyone just remember the here and right now. The Lakers, Cavs, and Magic have all had horrible deals over the years that everyone forgets. The main diff between us and them is our stars continued to get hurt and our owner got cheap.

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