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Saturday, March 6, 2010

Amare and Boozer?

Rumors had been flying around that Miami's talks with Phoenix and Utah were about making deals in the off season for Stoudemire and/or Boozer. We already had heard Boozer lobbying to join forces with Wade last season and now Amare is letting it be known that he is open to a sign and trade to Miami or Cleveland after the season.

You figure Phoenix and Utah will be in a better position to deal their stars for young players and draft picks in the off-season rather than in the midst of a playoff push.

However, I wonder if Miami can pull off either acquisition without including Michael Beasley. Honestly, Phoenix and Utah will not have the leverage to demand Beasley as both Boozer and Stoudemire could easily sign rich contracts without their former club's help. If Beasley is shipped it will probably be part of a much bigger deal. Maybe landing both players?

Neither Boozer or Amare will ever be compared to Alonzo Mourning on the defensive end, but each is legitimately one of the top Power Forwards in the game and Amare can be very effective as an undersized center. As sad as it is to admit, Michael Beasley's legacy in Miami may end up being that of a trade asset.

Ever since we lost that draft lottery and we heard Pat Riley say that he was going to "leverage" the pick, this possibility has been in the back of my mind. It seems Michael Beasley was drafted because he was the best available player, nobody traded up for the right to draft him and he has been available ever since.

With Pat Riley you never know what to expect, he has already pulled off the largest trade in NBA history to help bring Miami its first championship, could this off-season bring us a similar package? My guess is that Wade WILL have two All-Stars playing next to him next season even if it has to be at the expense of Mike Beasley.

41 comments:

  1. I think you keep players like Beasley.

    21 year old.
    Gotta see him as being a 20+ ppg 8+ rebounds a game player in a few years (assuming he ever gets 35+mpg at PF.

    And if he's final destiantion is small forward, it will take him a few years, but I still see 20+ ppg.

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  2. Alston skipped(to my lou) practice.

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  3. ^ he's suspended indefinitely & might retire.

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  4. "Wade also had 10 assists, but it was another assist the might have provided the ultimate boost, when he got in Beasley's face with the game in the balance.

    "It wasn't anything he said," Beasley said, "he just punched me in the chest real hard."

    Guilty as charged, Wade said.

    "I felt, as a leader, I had to get in his face," Wade said. "I didn't mean to hit him in the chest.

    "He could have hit me back. I wouldn't have minded."

    Said Beasley, "He was yelling, 'I need you.' "
    "

    And people say he's not a good leader, lol. Was it the best way? Who knows. But at least it got through.

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  5. GodsSon521 said...
    ^ he's suspended indefinitely & might retire.

    MARCH 7, 2010 11:20 AM

    That sucks. Even without practicing he's better than Chalmers at the very least. Its crazy how this guy can't play on the worst team in the NBA this season, and then can't play on the team with the worst PG rotation in the NBA. This guy is a disgrace to street ballers all around the world.

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  6. Disappointed in Skip. He did not jump on the energy bus, so he's out :(

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  7. Agree. It's unfair to Raefer, but it's his fault for having a broken jumper. Arroyo can direct traffic, Chalmers can score, & Q & Wright can defend troublesome PGs, so it's sort of like what do we need him for (imo, a veteran leader in the playoffs, but w.e).

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  8. Beasley definitely had a statement game. I don't trade him straight up for either Boozer or Stoudemire. He's just so hard to get a good read on though - we could sign Al Harrington for his current productivity. We want him to become a superstar - I hope he does.

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  9. don't knock Boozer off as a real option. He wants to come here & he only made $12 mil last season. We can afford to sign him (around $10 mil, maybe) & Rudy Gay, then trade Beas for a center. Not the route I'd prefer to go, but it might just happen.

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  10. Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Amare, J.Johnson, and Boozer are all max players.

    All would look good with Wade, but with the Lakers having Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Artest, and Bynum Wade and anyone other than LeBron isn't enough...either Beasley has to get as good enough to be in that group or we need a third wheel that is.

    Love Beasley, but not sure he'll be as good as Bosh for another 2 years...and with the likely FA being a PF, that clouds Beasley's future anymore.

    I think you have to try to go LeBron, Bosh (center) and J.Johnson first. Then if that doesn't work get Boozer and another max player (via $8M in cap space, Beasley, and 2 1st round draft picks)

    Wade, Boozer, and Amare might be enough to take on the Lakers big 5.

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  11. But I'd rather have"

    PG: Arroyo, Chalmers
    SG: Wade. Cook
    SF: FA $5M player
    PF: Beasley, Anthony
    C: Bosh, McGloire

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  12. Bosh should stop the nonsense about wanting a team to be built around him and sign with Miami. If he stays in Toronto he will never get the credit he feels he deserves.

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  13. 3 game losing streak for the Lakers. Artest colors his hair purple and gold and writes "defense" in 3 languages on it. Toronto loses again. We are still 3 behind Milwaukee on the loss column for the 5th spot since they have the tie-breaker... I hope they start losing, they have Boston and Utah coming into Milwaukee next. They have been really good at home.

    Not overly concerned with the Heat's playoff positioning, just hope they can get in feeling good about themselves. I can't believe Rafer quit on the team... San Antonio needs a backup PG, we need a 3rd string point guard and the only guy available that I know of is Mike James... who else is out there?

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  14. We actually need a starting PG honestly :)

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  15. Kobe jinxed it. Going into the road trip, he said that they could very much lose all 3 games since it's a "tough road trip." & now, they lost all 3.

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  16. Damn Cablevision. I really wanted to see the Oscars this year

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  17. Yo fellas, I got my 1st impersonation on Ira's blog....LMAO!!!!!! If you ask me it has all the makings of a I-Win special....lol

    I think we should resign Wade, JO, Wright, Arroyo Q and Magloire from this years roster. Sign Stoudemire and McGrady and pick-up Hinrich via trade. Pick-up some Donte' Jones, Mikki Moore, Will Bynum type role players to fill out the rest of the roster. Use both picks to trade up to go after Evan Turner from OSU, maybe his presence would help double-fold if we don't resign Q. For one he's a Chicago guy taking Q's role in the Chitown Mafia the Heat has assembled and maybe help Cook out a bit, another fellow OSU Alumni...

    We'd look like
    Hinrich, Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook, Turner
    McGrady, Wright, Turner
    Beasley, Stoudemire, Anthony
    Stoudemire, JO, Anthony, Magloire

    Not a bad team, could be a serious Championship contender... Just my opinion...

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  18. if we really could have gotten Blatche with the trade exception (I doubt it), then Riley/Mickey are idiots.

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  19. d_webz reprezentin da 215!!! #3 N #30 #1 FAN said...

    We'd look like


    Okay, if you have Wade, Beasley, and sign Stoudimire then you only have $3 to $5M left to sign. You also have nothing to trade if Hinrich, Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook, Turner
    McGrady, Wright, Turner
    Beasley, Stoudemire, Anthony
    Stoudemire, JO, Anthony, Magloireyou keep Beasley and the 2 1st rounders...so in that case Hinrich isn't possible in your idea and with the money we have you are basically going to have to pick on eof the 3 you shwo (JO, McGrady, or Wright).

    So your exact idea with in the real world would be:
    Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook
    McGrady
    Beasley, Anthony
    Stoudemire, Magloire
    2 1st round picks.

    BTW, that is a play-off team, and maybe a top 4 seed in the East...but not a slam-dunk there are all.

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  20. Reposted because of errors entering...


    d_webz reprezentin da 215!!! #3 N #30 #1 FAN said...

    We'd look like
    Hinrich, Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook, Turner
    McGrady, Wright, Turner
    Beasley, Stoudemire, Anthony
    Stoudemire, JO, Anthony, Magloire

    A New Day responds:
    Okay, if you have Wade, Beasley, and sign Stoudimire then you only have $3 to $5M left to sign. You also have nothing to trade if you keep Beasley and the 2 1st rounders...so in that case Hinrich isn't possible in your idea and with the money we have you are basically going to have to pick on eof the 3 you show (JO, McGrady, or Wright).

    So your exact idea with in the real world would be:
    Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook
    McGrady
    Beasley, Anthony
    Stoudemire, Magloire
    2 1st round picks.

    BTW, that is a play-off team, and maybe a top 4 seed in the East...but not a slam-dunk there are all.

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  21. BTW: I wouldn't pick up McGrady....he shows flashes and then just disappears game after game....and he is seriously injury prone.

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  22. I'd rather Boozer over Amare...becuase Amare is really a PF in any Rielwy system and between Boozer and Amare (Amare makes almost $4M more a year. If we get Amare we only have $4M left to sign the rest of our team, if we get Boozer we still have $8M left.

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  23. ^T-Mac is just playing himself back into shape.. But when he's in his top form he's still a superstar. Unfortunately that only happens once every 5 games.

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  24. I like McGrady and Wright at SF. I also like Josh Howard at that position.

    Jermaine still has a few good years in him. Haslem, Magloire and Richardson are good role players off the bench that can step into starting roles when needed.

    We must go hard after Bosh on day 1 of free agency.

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  25. Obviously we are going to be all over Bosh on day 1, but I mean we have to make it all about him... I think if we try to recruit LeBron, we hurt Mr. Bosh's pride. He has to feel like he is the #1 choice.

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  26. There is no chance that we don't at least try to get LeBron.

    Regarding UD, JO, QRich, Wright....none of them will sign for the minimum, so if we get a max and a mid-level player...they are all bye-bye.

    The only chance to keep them is a sign-and-trade for someone like Bosh (resign and trade JO and a 1st rounder for Bosh). And this would only happen if Bosh basically made it clear he was coming to the Heat and forced Toronto into trying to get something for him.

    That would allow us to resign all of our other FAs and have a team like such:
    Arroyo, Chalmers
    Wade, Cook
    QRich, Diawara
    Beasley, Haslem
    Bosh, Anthony
    +1st rounder

    Is that good enough? Not sure, but its more than we can except.

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  27. stephanie ready on 1st and ten is cute

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  28. ESPN.com's insider has something about the Heat looking for a point guard. We all know that already, but if somebody has it, post it please.

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  29. http://www.nba.com/2010/news/03/08/players.ofthe.week/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

    D-Wade player of the week after single handedly taking his team to 3-0 on very impressive numbers(3 straight double doubles with a couple 35/10 games)

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  30. And beating two elite teams in the process...

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  31. What about John Salmons as a free agent option. He has an early termination clause.

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  32. I'd like Salmons on this team as a Point-Forward. He'd be a 2nd playmaker and another guy who could create offense for this team and he plays pretty decent defense, but does he opt-out he's got a players option for next season, that's was 90% of the reason the Bulls traded him away for fear that he'd pick-up his player option next season and if he does opt-out does Milwaukee let him go w/o putting a pretty decent offer on the table for him?

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  33. How about this?

    Re-sign Wade 1st, sign and trade with the Suns Amare for Haslem and JJ or just sign him straight up(We'd have all the leverage in a sign and trade deal, seeing as how we could sign Amare and the Suns get nothing). Resign both JO and Wright. Let Chalmers walk and bring Pat Beverly and Robert Dozier back from overseas on min. deals similar to Chalmers deal. Still try to trade up for Evan Turner. For PG help there aren't many FA options, but some stop gaps. Felton is the only difference-maker PG available in FA, but there's also S. Blake, L. Ridnour, N. Robinson, T.J. Ford has a player's-option for next season, E. Watson, D. Fisher, J. Tinsley, C. Duhon not a great selection, but I'd be interested in Felton, Ford, Blake or Ridnour.

    We'd look like this
    PG- FA, Arroyo, Beverly
    SG- Wade, Cook, Turner
    SF- Wright, Turner, Dozier
    PF- Beasley, Stoudedmire, Anthony
    C - Stoudemire, JO, Magloire

    Just my opinion, don't crucify me....(New Day) Geez!!!
    Is it a contender? Don't know, but I think it's enough for Wade to make a deep playoff run ECF, maybe even Finals and pick up another piece or 2 in 2011 summer with the mid-level exception. We'd have quality depth at almost every position something we lack right now.

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  34. Ford's been having an Alston type season so far. Plus, he's not much of a shooter, but if necessary, maybe. Felton-Nate-Blake are the 1st 3 I'd go for (in that order). If not, Ridnour or Ford will have to do (or just Chalmers).

    A JO-Amar'e frontcourt, huh? Could definitely compete with the Lakers (Beasley would be our Odom) but we'd definitely need another play-maker to go with Wade (hopefully, we get Felton or Nate while keeping Wright). Not the best option, but...

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  35. d_webz reprezentin da 215!!! #3 N #30 #1 FAN said...
    How about this?

    A New Day:
    I din't want to crucify you...I just don't see how you can do all that while staying under the cap.

    Your looking for this (i added what I see us having to pay to get said player):
    PG- FA (do you plan on this being a min salary too?), Arroyo (min), Beverly (min)
    SG- Wade ($16.6M), Cook ($2.2M), Turner ($2.0M if with our 1st round pick, I doubt we can get him though)
    SF- Wright ($3M), Turner, Dozier (min)
    PF- Beasley ($3.5M), Stoudedmire, Anthony (min maybe)
    C - Stoudemire ($17M), JO ($5M), Magloire
    (min)

    Because you have us resigning FA both out of our team and from our team, meaning you have to get everything but the min under the cap. That's $49M (because of $2.5M in cap holds for the min added at the end. The Cap will probably be around $44m. And that onlt works IF we can get rid of J.Jones contract when getting Amare (doubtful the Suns would want J.Jones even with Haslem thrown in).


    Again, no attack...I just don't see how we can do this. Do you think Wright and JO will sign for the minimum?

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  36. Understood New Day, but in any Amare/Bosh sign and trade we have all the leverage. If the Suns/Raptors don't like our offers Riley could say eff'em I got cap-space and signs Amare/Bosh straight up, I know it costs us more that way, but you better believe whichever one Riley goes after Stoudemire/Bosh, JJ and maybe even Cook will be included in the deal and although the Suns or Raptors may not want JJ or Cook for that matter they'd take them and either buy them out or trade them in order to not lose their former superstar for nothing.

    I think Evan Turner could be a serious possibility for us and that's probably why Riley really wants to hold on to both picks to trade up for one almost sure thing rookie instead of 2 rookie projects. No way I see Riley really adding 2 rookies to next years team when he's trying to set the team up for contending. Also with Beverly and Dozier gaining pro experience overseas I can see Riley bringing one if not both of them back as cheap labor next year. Riley is very smart and I think him drafting those 2 guys last year and stashing them overseas for a year was part of his Master Plan for 2010. Beverly would probably beat out Chalmers for a roster spot IMO. Dozier still maybe a roster long shot, but if Haslem is moved in any offseason deal, I could see Dozier filling in a Haslem-type role for this team. Dozier is Haslem with way more athleticism, decent defender and he can play and guard 3's and 4's.

    The best thing Riley didn't do this year was trade Michael Beasley. With the cap-space and D-Wade we hold all the chips when FA opens and sign and trade time rolls around come July.

    The Heat's early Christmas in July wish list is 1A-1B) Re-sign Wade and pair him with Bosh/Stoudemire, 2) Find a starting PG via trade or FA, 3) Add some much needed talented/serviceable depth to the bench like Flip Murray's, Mo Evans' and Mikki Moore types or role players who play multiple positions and who knows and understands how to play their specific roles and don't mind playing for the min.

    Orlando's new found Kobe irritator Matt Barnes is a min. salary player. We'll add the major pieces in July and early-August and fill out the rest of the roster during September before training camp when guys are looking to just get a contract to maybe get on with a team i.e. non-guaranteed deals or vet's min.

    Wade $16.6 mil
    Amare/Bosh $17 mil (If it's Bosh the same deal as Wade and basically pays one min. salary with the league picking up close to half the tab for min. salary's)
    FA PG around $3-5 mil
    Beasley $4.9 mil
    2 Draft Picks or Trade up Pick $2.5 mil
    Wright $3mil
    JO $3mil (I could see him re-signing for a shot at a ring at a discount)
    Arroyo/Anthony/Beverly/Dozier/Flip Murray/Magloire all these guys are min. salary guys.

    How does that not work New Day?

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  37. Wright will stay with the Heat the fact that Riley didn't trade him at the deadline for cap-relief has and will go a long way with him re-signing at about what he's making now, JO's already said a couple of different times this year that he's already made enough money now he wants to win a ring and he knows that Miami after this summer will be as good as any Elite team after this summer to start really making some noise in the East and really have a shot at competing for anything other than a trip to the playoffs.

    Now if only we could find a way to still get Spo out of here, we'd really be in business then. New team, New coach and for the Heat a Brand New Day.

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  38. Math wise, with Wade, Amare, Beasley, our 2 picks, Cook, and Chamlers (cutting J.Jones and eating the $1.5 guarentee) and you have $4M left.

    You are hoping to get rid of J.Jones (which I guess is possible). That leaves you with a max of $5.5M left. If Jo comes in at $3M (have trouble believing this as I think he thinks Spo is an idiot) then you have $2.5M left for either Wright (if that's enough) or a FA point guard.

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  39. Kkboy, Chris, Cyrus, Oshz, Jab and Lord Hades you guys are slacking on your J-O-B!!!!

    Nobody's got any new blog topics, C'mon fellas Ira's showing the Heat and more specifically Beasley some love and you guys aren't. What's the wrong with that picture there...LMAO!!!!!

    Beasley had the best 4th quarter of his young career and not one post about the hope for future dominant performances from Beasley or Wade's been playing like last years MVP caliber D-Wade he won Player of the Week honors last week and hardly a mention of it here or Skip's recent MIA on South Beach.... Ira's putting you guys to shame.... I know y'all will be in here tonight in the chatroll for the game... Maybe after tonight's win or lose someone will do an after game analysis. Hopefully it's a Win and we can make some serious headway in the standings... So until later on Peace out!!!!!!!

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  40. I forget where I heard it, but the rumor was that JO despises Sporon and that the vets have tuned him out. Do you think that if Riley wants to resign JO on the cheap he listens to JO's lament and ditches the Sporon? or am I dreaming?

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  41. is there a game anytime soon?

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